Thinking of a Tok

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I been thinking of getting a Tokarev (7.62 ver) lately, and I was wondering something.
Lever Arms has them on special. The Tok 54-1 with 7.62 & 9mm barrels and mags (one of each, I presume) for $200+. How do these like to switch between calibers? Can you shoot one fine, and the other's a struggle? Any one who has one, please tell me.
I like the option of shooting cheap 9mm if 7.62 ammo plays hard to get, but not if its a PITA.
Also, is there a difference between Lever's Type 54-1 and Marstar's Type 54?

Thanks
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The 54-1 has that damn safety lever added to the side. Not designed for it.
The 54 does not.
The 54 in my opinion would be the way to go.
 
The barrels switch easily. The 9mm mag must have the spacer installed to work well. Otherwise feed problems. Marstar offers a warranty, Lever doesn't. You decide.
 
(((Echo))) said:
I been thinking of getting a Tokarev (7.62 ver) lately, and I was wondering something.
Lever Arms has them on special. The Tok 54-1 with 7.62 & 9mm barrels and mags (one of each, I presume) for $200+. How do these like to switch between calibers? Can you shoot one fine, and the other's a struggle? Any one who has one, please tell me.
I like the option of shooting cheap 9mm if 7.62 ammo plays hard to get, but not if its a PITA.
Also, is there a difference between Lever's Type 54-1 and Marstar's Type 54?

Thanks
(E) :cool:
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For what it's worth.

I had a Chinese Tokarev several years ago and it was a piece of crap. I don't mean it wouldn't go "bang" every time I pulled the trigger, but it just wasn't accurate at all. I shot up more money in 9mm ammo trying to get it halfway accurate than I did buying it in the first place.

A couple of years ago I purchased a surplus Walther P1 (from: www.ImpactGun.com) for around $200.00 and it is a JEWEL. It came looking new, with a slightly used holster, cleaning kit, and extra (new in wrapping) Walther magazine.

My P1 was of 1970's manufacture, but apparently had been upgraded in the early '90's at the German armoury with the new "fat slide conversion", which included the better white line (dot) sights, hex bolt, and improved (heavier) slide. All of the numbers match, and unless you had seen the test target that came with it you would think it was never fired.

I have had a pile of pistols (and still do) in 9mm (my favorite round), and the P1 Walther remains a favorite. It is of high quality, 100% reliable, very accurate, and a pleasure to shoot.

If I could compare the Tok and the Walther I had/have, I would say the the Chinese Tokarev was crude, innaccurate and did not feel comfortable in the hand. The Walther was top quality, very accurate and fit the hand quite well. I wouldn't have another Tok if you gave me one (ok, maybe if you GAVE me one), and I hope to never get rid of the Walther P1...

I don't know if the Walther P1 is even allowed in Canada (or shortly, apparently anything else if your liberal Gov't has its way), but if it IS legal, please consider checking the P1 out. It's top notch..

Best Wishes,
JP :D
 
Tried them both

Echo
I bought a lever 54-1 with the extra barrel. I found the gun a blast to shoot, and its accuracy with the 7.62x25 good enough to shoot skeets at 20 yards. The finish on the pistol sucked, like they dropped a dusty gun into the bluing tank and what ever crap was on it got blued with the gun. The trigger was like dragging a rock and the safety kept engaging on recoil. The ammo at $4.00 per box you just cant beat for a center fire. So I sold that gun and bought a type 54 without the safety. The finish is much better but trigger still needs work, when i get a chance I will polish the mags and trigger group in effort to reduce the trigger pull weight. Overall for the price you are paying for the gun its worth keeping as the money you save on the gun you can put towards the ammunition to practice.
 
I've put through over 2000 rounds in my 54-1, and it's still banging like usual. The accuracy is fairly good once you get used to the recoil. A lot people are #####ing about the trigger, but for 200 bucks you get something that can penetrate some of the bulletproof vests, so whatelse you can complain about?
 
I like my Tok 54 from Marstar. Came with the 9mm barrel (shot 9's fine too) and a whole whack 'o corrosive Czech 7.62 ammo that goes BANG (capitals) throws out flame and sparks as well. Put a Hogue small Handall grip on it (hate the supplied grips) and it's good to go. Yes, the trigger is rough and I can't shoot it that accurately, but I had a (female) newbie out to the range on the weekend and she liked it (and shot it) best. Guess it fit her hand. As a noisy centrefire plinker, nothing better.
 
TSE sold a batch of said Walthers a year ago. But $500 Canadian if I recall. I could be wrong. The Tok is what it is. As long as you don't make it more in your mind, you will enjoy it.
 
I have a Tok 54 (7.62) from Marstar the finish is good accuracy OK 1200+ rds so far and still going strog.

Would never buy anything from Leverarms they do not offer any waranty on their products "New firearms are not warranted by us" http://www.leverarms.com/ Clearly stated in the ordering page.
 
jwillmoore said:
I have a Tok 54 (7.62) from Marstar the finish is good accuracy OK 1200+ rds so far and still going strog.

Would never buy anything from Leverarms they do not offer any waranty on their products "New firearms are not warranted by us" http://www.leverarms.com/ Clearly stated in the ordering page.
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No, they didn't say that. This is what they stated at the bottom of its SPECIALS page:

- We cannot warrant the safety of surplus and used weapons -
 
pontcanna said:
I like my Tok 54 from Marstar. Came with the 9mm barrel (shot 9's fine too) and a whole whack 'o corrosive Czech 7.62 ammo that goes BANG (capitals) throws out flame and sparks as well. Put a Hogue small Handall grip on it (hate the supplied grips) and it's good to go. Yes, the trigger is rough and I can't shoot it that accurately, but I had a (female) newbie out to the range on the weekend and she liked it (and shot it) best. Guess it fit her hand. As a noisy centrefire plinker, nothing better.
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I was just looking at the Lever page 'cause they have the "special". I'll probably give Marstar a call and see if they have anything like this. Its only been forever since they announced the make-over on the specials page.

A noisy, cheap, centerfire plinker that throws out flame and sparks :eek: :D :D .
What more could you ask for?

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Sorry I gave you the wrong link. Try this link http://www.leverarms.com/Ordering.html Below is a copy of that webpage. I have circled the statement I am refering to. I have further contacted them by email (Copy below) to ask about this statement and they confirmed "Norinco Does not have a warranty agent at this time." Therefore any Norinco purchase made at Leverarms is not Waranted at all, unless you are willing to take your chance of sending your brand new purchase to China for warranty.

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if you read most warranties you will find that they last only one year and are only materials and workmanship- and sometimes they don't go that far, so i have no problems buying from lever as long as it goes bang right out of the box- i had a browning bar that only had 10 shots through it and the trigger group failed- wouldn't ####- and i had to pay to get that fixed- so even the big boys warranty is hit or miss- i had to pay for the labour to get the trigger group fixed- i also know of at least 1 norinco m93 that lever replaced under warranty-
 
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so i have no problems buying from lever as long as it goes bang right out of the box-
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If your brand new item from Lever does not go bang right out the box (as you put it) What will you do? Remember no Warranty!!! Spend more money to fix it. I would just avoid the headache and buy from someone like Marstar who will back their product with a good warranty, even if it lasts only one year
 
Hi (((Echo))),

On the old board, I had a good thread that answered quite a few of your questions. I don't have time to reconstruct it at the moment, but I will do my best to summarize.

The M54-1's that come from Lever appear to be part of a consignment that was origionally intended to be imported by dealers in California, as evidenced by markings on the slide:

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Markings on left of slide. Top line reads, "MOD. 54-1 7.62x25", followed by the serial number. The first half of the lower line has been overstruck by 5 columns of 3 lines made by what appears to be a point impact engraving machine, but may have read, "GR(?) L.A. CA". Remainder of lower line reads, "MADE IN CHINA KSI POMONA CA".

To comply with U.S. law they were fitted with a manual safety on the left hand of the slide:

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Location of safety and safety markings. Safety has been removed from this example.

The 7.62 barrels are unmarked, but the 9mm ones are marked "9X19MM" over the chamber, visible through the ejection slot of the slide when the slide is in battery.

The Lever arms ones come with (1) 7.62 magazine and (1) 9MM magazine:

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Top view of the magazines. 7.62 on the left and 9MM on the right.

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Side view of the magazines. 7.62 on the left and 9MM on the right. Notice the presence of a finger rest on the 9MM magazine, a feature that greatly enhances the handling and pointablility of the pistol, in my opinion.

Overall finish of the M54-1 is rough, but in keeping with the price.

The M54 available from Marstar is essentially the same, with the exception that it does not have the unsightly safety, and the slide markings are substantially different. They also appear to be marginally better finished. Barrel markings are the same, but I have not seen a 9MM magazine from Marstar.

Reliability with 124gr 9MM and 7.62x25MM Czech surplus is excellent in pistols from both dealers. FTE's can happen with 115gr 9MM with a weak grip.

Accuracy leaves something to be desired. Sight visibility is greatly improved with some red or flourescent paint.

Trigger is rough and spongy out of the box. It improves a lot with wearing in, but it's design will likely defeat attempts to make it truly "crisp".

Whether you go with Lever or Marstar - or someone else entirely - remember that what you are buying is a full power military pistol for under $150. That should tell you something. The accuracy, fit, and finish are not going to match a $1000 "name" brand gun. So don't expect it. Too many of the people that I hear #####ing about the quality of these guns have expectations wholly out of line with the price tag. For what they are, these are great little pistols, good enough for punching paper with cheap surplus ammo.
 
Oh - and one more thing to note:

The reason the surplus ammo throws sparks is that it is steel cored, or steel jacketed with gilding and is hard on reactive steel targets and steel backstops. Bear it in mind if you plan on shooting at a range that uses either.
 
Thanks for the reply spi. Loaded with great info!
I have no illusions about what I'd be buying. A cheap plinker. I thing Marstar's 54 is the way I'm leaning, even if I don't get a 9mm barrel right away.

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Midnight Skulker got a Tok from Marstar a while back and I've been trying to steal it ever since. Finish is good for the price and it's neeat to feel the parts moving when you fire it (can really feel it when the slide unlocks) The first mag or so had to be hand-cycled after that it hasn't even hiccuped
 
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