Thinking of buying CZ? Think twice!

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I feel I must inform the public of my CZ experience. I'm sure many have seen my thread documenting the challenges I'd faced with it and have ultimately ended up with a non-repairable barrel defect that will never "wear in" and shoot well. CZ has rejected my warranty claim and will NOT replace the barrel.

"Warranty only covers defects visible to the eye. Any faults requiring the use of an optical device to observe are not covered under warranty"

Well how the heck else do you see the defect in the barrel causing crap accuracy!? :mad: Folks, they absolve themselves of any responsibility for defective barrels with that statement. You have no accuracy warranty. This company does not stand behind what they sell. The only thing worse than the let down of a substandard product is a shady company that won't make it right. I will never buy CZ again, I will never recommend to anyone to buy CZ, I will always warn of the potential pitfalls of dealing with CZ. Their new reputation is to be one of manufacturing quality going down the toilet and they don't care about their customers.

I won't tell you not to buy one if your heart is set on it. Indeed they can be nice looking rifles and some of them perform very well. Those were produced after a tooling change, then they run their tooling well past it's useful life and still ship out the sub-standard parts for suckers to buy. Buyer Beware cover your rear. Get it inspected with a bore scope. Reject purchasing the sub-standard product, it will never perform for you and CZ won't help you. Prove it to meet standard before you hand over the cash. It is like playing the lottery, some win big, some win enough to keep them playing and some lose. You can't return a losing ticket for a refund, or a CZ but at least you can see if the rifle is a winner or loser before buying at your LGS if they'll kindly show it to you with a bore scope. There is no value in buying a product where you then have to go out of pocket just to get it's performance up to standard never mind enhancing the performance and ending up at the cost of the better quality product you should have bought in the first place. Shame on CZ! :kickInTheNuts:

After seeing those pics, those are the kind of barrels I wouldn't even try to save.



 
That sucks and has got to be frustrating. Do the cz rimfire rifles come with a factory test target? If so you would figure they would have caught it before it left the factory.
 
That sucks and has got to be frustrating. Do the cz rimfire rifles come with a factory test target? If so you would figure they would have caught it before it left the factory.

Very good point. What was your test target results they sent with the gun?
 
The CZ 527 in .223 I bought had a very uninspiring test target but the gun would shoot 1/2' to 3/4" groups with decent ammo at 100yds no problem. So I don't think the test target is a very good indicator of the rifles accuracy. Like Rabid says it's just a function test. I bought a 455 yesterday with a test target that has 4 shots touching within 5/16" and one "flyer?" that brought the group to 7/8".

I'm hoping it shoots at least 1/2" at 50. I'll post up if it's decent or not.

Everyone makes a bad gun now and then but it blows that they won't warranty it.
 
To the OP. Is the flaw in the barrel near the muzzle? I.E. could it be cut off and re-crowned? I know you shouldn't have to do that to a new rifle but if CZ won't help you it might be a way of salvaging it.
 
if I was you I'd forward a copy of that photo to CZ in the Czech Republic and I'd tell them that the gunshop you purchaced that rifle through said it's not covered under warrenty. I'd keep complaining till I got results.
 
The shop sent the photos to CZ, it was CZ's response that they will not replace it. The burr is on the beveled start of the rifling on each land, just in front of the chamber so this is not like a crown that can be cut off and re-done or like a threaded barrel than can be set back and re-chambered. It is just pooched.

My factory target was 1.25", one flyer out of the < 1/2" 4 shot group. The pattern of groupings is 4 close, 1 out (2+ inches out in the pic in my first post), vertical stacks, 3 close one high one low. Sometimes I get good groups around and under 1/2" when the fouling has found a temporary happy place but by and large over 50% groups exceed 1".



For more details please refer to my thread documenting what I've gone through with this rifle. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ian-Bedding-Report-*Update-w-bore-scope-pics*
 
The factory targets mean nothing for accuracy by the way. It is a function test.

And that is ok more for the rest of us.

P.S. - I have had savages that shoot like that as well no matter what ammo. Any company in any industry can have a problem
 
Pretty disgusting given that one pays extra for the quality/accuracy of a CZ. Can understand that kind of policy for a rock bottom price NORC that you know you are taking a chance in refinement quality and accuracy.
 
Wow that's horrible! If it's any comfort your experience is enough for me to not look at cz for my next rimfire purchase!
 
Find a smith with a nice sharp .22LR reamer and get it rethroated. Follow up with a fine lap of the throat only to remove the burr and try it again.

Yes, by all means try this with the factory barrel.

Does anyone think that Savage or Marlin would replace the barrel? Would that be possible -- or would they replace the rifle? What about Anschutz? Would they make a replacement?

For those who are wondering, the test target is not an indication of accuracy; it's a test of the rifle's function, nothing more. So there's no need to get excited one way or another about the size of the group on the factory "test target".
 
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