thinking out loud ...

i wonder if it would be as simple as ...

- blocking one side of the magwell such that the single-stack howa or cz mag inserts to one side (and whatever other fitting required)

- machining the other bottom bolt lug so that it doesn't hang on the back of the magazine.

- fabricate a new mag catch, modify the bolt catch.

- repackage.

you would now have a 5rd single feed semi that might deviate enough from the original 180 patent AND intent to pass the name test. for a couple of years anyway.
 
They'd ban it anyways, but...

a) 223 Magazines for the Henry Long Ranger are double stack 5 rounds.

b) 223 Browning X-Bolt rotary magazines are also 5 rounds, but center feed.

Design your gun for either magazine and you've met the letter of the law, but no gaurentees they'd approve it.
 
sure they'd ban it. but get it to the market after the latest round of foolishness and it would take them two years or so to update the legislation. just like the 180 clones. two years of flooding the market with more guns.

the worry about double stack is that the upper remains unchanged, so you might find yourself with a lower that meets the law and an upper that is still banned. convert the upper to single feed and hard to argue it isn't a fundamentally different firearm.

centre feed would require an entirely new bolt. modifying current bolts to feed just from one side could potentially use existing inventory or at least simplify redesign so as to get a product in for an frt with small $ invested. take a look at how hk did the bolts for the single-feed sl8-1's they made for the american market.

but as per the title, just thinking out loud.
 
the radium king said:
i think when wolverine brought out the wk180 there was no intent to sell to a broader market outside canada (i could be wrong here as who knows the mind of a wolverine). as the platform evolved some of the later more refined iterations - crusader, sterling, bcl - did start looking south. but even south of the border states such as new york and cali (BIG markets) struggle with restrictive magazine laws that would benefit from such a development (and nz, others?).

re cost of development - fit the mag to the lower, redo the bolt and barrel extension if needed. enough change such that it is no longer a 180. gunsmith stuff and some cad work. not putting a man on the moon, and less work that the initial platform cloning/evolving that's been done by the canadian industry to-date. regardless, i think this is where the constructive dialog is - how could it be made to work from a technical perspective, and leave the legal debate to the other subforums.
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Cali and New York mag limits are 10 so already it’s a no go for Canada…You want to talk about the technical feasibility of such a platform in isolation of the legal/political reality that inspires the concept…that’s called daydreaming.

If you are convinced it’s something worth pursuing, rather than debating here, start building the prototype.
 
so this isn't a discussion forum? a person can't throw an idea out without being told to 'prove it'? that's a zero-use contribution - the type of dialog i thought i'd left behind in the grade 3 sandbox.

and we are expected to assume that the canadian situation will continue to deteriorate and the american market won't? you don't think the US is facing the same potential challenges and changes? according to your logic all discussion has to be prefaced with the assumption of worst-case scenarios and anyone who doesn't is apparently wasting their time. here's a suggestion if your time is so valuable - stay out of the thread?

i'm glad wolverine, kodiak, spectre didn't listen to folks like you two years ago, hey? ps, the definition of 'useful idiot' is someone who unknowingly is working for the enemy (unless you are knowingly working for them?). you can call it pragmatism, but everyone who whines and says don't bother, or choses instead to close their eyes and hold their breath until they can have their old toys back, is just benefitting the liberals and the ban by wearing down the industry, splitting our lobby, impeding innovation, and intruding more uncertainty into already uncertain times.

Innavedaw said:
Cali and New York mag limits are 10 so already it’s a no go for Canada…You want to talk about the technical feasibility of such a platform in isolation of the legal/political reality that inspires the concept…that’s called daydreaming.

If you are convinced it’s something worth pursuing, rather than debating here, start building the prototype.
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medvedqc said:
people are entlited to opinion on both side and can even disagree ...
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i agree. but to disagree requires a conversation. "prove it" "they'd ban it anyways" "complete waste of time" is not a conversation. so i push back, try and drive some dialog on the OP. ultimately, the idea was good enough for HK when they turned the 180-based g36 military rifle into the single-feed sl8-1 for the american market to get around the assault rifle ban at the time. i'll leave it there.

ps, i've added my own tagline, from orwell.
 
I will expand on my comment that it's a complete waste of time.

The AR-180 platform sucks to begin with.
The ONLY reason everyone has been using it the last two years is because it avoided the ban in 2020.

Now that it's being banned by name; There's no reason at all to use it as a base for new guns.
You would be much better off making an entirely new semi-auto platform from scratch.

Start with a magazine that only holds five rounds, and build the gun around it.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
I will expand on my comment that it's a complete waste of time.

The AR-180 platform sucks to begin with.
The ONLY reason everyone has been using it the last two years is because it avoided the ban in 2020.

Now that it's being banned by name; There's no reason at all to use it as a base for new guns.
You would be much better off making an entirely new semi-auto platform from scratch.

Start with a magazine that only holds five rounds, and build the gun around it.
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I agree with your sentiment. The appeal of the AR180 is now gone as it too is facing the ban hammer.

The biggest issue is that any new centre fire semi auto will immediately fall under the premise of this latest ban and as such will never get off the ground.

And, on a personal note, as someone who competes 5 rounds would be unbearable for me. Using pistol mags with 10 round capacity was pretty much the least I could stomach.
 
the radium king said:
i agree. but to disagree requires a conversation. "prove it" "they'd ban it anyways" "complete waste of time" is not a conversation. so i push back, try and drive some dialog on the OP. ultimately, the idea was good enough for HK when they turned the 180-based g36 military rifle into the single-feed sl8-1 for the american market to get around the assault rifle ban at the time. i'll leave it there.

ps, i've added my own tagline, from orwell.
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OK

"They'd ban it anyways" because they're banning the Mossberg 715T simply because it looks like an AR15, and the proposed gun would still look like an AR180.

(Since the mechanics of the AR-180 are all forward, you could try putting it in a traditional wood stock.)
 
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