TDC, funny enough after you again try to pass on your pearls of wisdom and condensation, I find your ass has already been handed to you here, so you tried to bounce to a "New Guy" to get your Dopamine fix for the night.
I'm merely discussing my OPINION no different than yourself or anyone else on the board.
TDC, what exactly is your issue with LEO/MIL, because it seems that any time we post anything related to our professions, you turn it into an opportunity to try to usurp, "school", and other wise talk down to us with your "vast" amount, of what seems to be non-real world, non-applied, technical and theoretical knowledge? In all the dealings I've had with you, which, not inclusive of this, are now 2. It seems to me you're looking for a fight or an opportunity to lord yourself over us by throwing ballistics tables, or facts on penetration of ballistic protective vests, using big words which I'm sure you are just aching for a chance to string into a sentence to further condescend, and otherwise talk down to professionals, which clearly you are not.
My issue with some LEO/MIL types is there immediate belief that simply because they possess a badge or MIL I.D. they believe they are all knowing and that everyone else is simply an ungrateful civilian peon. My reference to Clerks and supply Duty was an EXAMPLE of a position within the MIL or LE community that probably has little to no experience and/or expertise with small arms tactics or equipment. The EXAMPLE was not an attack on either trade nor those residing within them. The EXAMPLE was posted to stimulate thought that those with a badge or MIL I.D. may not be all knowing as some so often believe. In a nutshell it comes down to this. Don't blindly follow or believe the "experience" or "expertise" of an individual or establishment simply because they have "time in".
Honestly, reading you is like listening to a f**king Star Wars geek coming aboard and critiquing a Trekkie because Capt Kirk has a penchant for banging Alien pussy, while you jerk yourself off to the idea of you being Luke Skywalker and banging Princess Leia- "if only she would look at me!". In the way you call down and ignore our experience of firearms experience, is the same way this geek ignores that Kirk has banged copious amounts of pussy, and who gives a s**t if its blue, green or f**king rainbow coloured, its god damn pussy!!!
And in case you've lost me, I'm calling you the sister kissing wannabe who would rather roll their eyes and point the finger at those that do the job rather than get yourself laid legitimately- ie. you don't have the balls to sign on a line, put on a uniform and maybe put your firearms experience to some practical use. And we, the professionals, are the James T. Kirks of the world, banging copious amounts of alien pussy, in that we apply our firearms knowledge. We do it.
Who said anything about "no balls to sign on the line"? I choose not to join for my own reasons and it has nothing to do with not having "the balls". I guess we should sh*t talk everyone who hasn't joined or served their nation. Oh hold on, if you pay taxes I guess you could say you're serving your nation.
I never asked anyone to sign the line and serve on my behalf so don't try and put the guilt on me or anyone else for your decisions. Furthermore, no one does anything without it first serving themselves. There is no such thing as an unselfish act. You serve because you WANT to, not because you NEED to. Does your service better/serve the nation? Of course, but your service is still your decision for your personal gain. Whether that be emotional or ethical gains or physical and financial.
With supped up competition pistols, you shoot at paper and tin targets with goal of... well shooting at more paper and tin targets. With issue and service weapons, we shoot at those same paper and tin targets, but with the goal of putting down a threat by shooting at centre of mass, which requires training something else- the mindset that will allow us to let loose the death sentence that is going hit that mother ****** twice in the chest, and once in the head for good measure, all the while playing by the biggest rule changer of all- incoming fire, from a single small arms weapon, RPG or well executed ambush, that would make most ordinary men piss and s**t their pants and while worrying about wiping their ass, making them incapable of comprehending the most primal instinct to kill what is trying to kill you. And I'm guessing you fall into this category! That, is practical application. Sport shooting in a league you belong to, is an interpretation of this. And make no mistake, I respect sport shooters. Some of my best friends do both what I do, and what you do.
Simple questions beg simple answers. Not sentences and paragraphs of diatribe pertaining to science and data that overcomplicate what someone is truly looking for. We see what works, and what doesn't. We use what works, and if it doesn't change it or make due in the hopes of one day making it better- to innovate. We have the experience, either under fire, delivering fire effects, or in being prepared to do both.
So, you have no basis to call down our experience, whether we've posted 4000 times, or once. Much like I have no business schooling anyone on fat mag welled, compensated sport pistols- I don't use them. And yes, this is a Newbie, calling you out.
Ones experience does not mean one possess SME level of knowledge on any particular subject. So ones experience until validated means very little. As for post count, who the f*ck cares?!
Recognize the fact that the intended and sole purpose of firearms are to do someone harm, that would otherwise do them harm. Any thing else is ancilliary and theoretical to its use, and though I respect the dedication and application of accurate and fast fire in training, which includes IPSC, IDPA, Tactical Courses and the like (Power to ya'!), it's not the intended use of a firearm. Period.
I fully agree, I own, use, and train with my firearms with their original intended goal in mind, the defensive/offensive use against threats to my life, my family, or my nation.
You talk s**t about Clerks and Supply duty, and though they may not have the firearms or ballistics experiences that you think you do, here is the difference between them and you. They, unlike you, use their spine, to get their ass and body out of bed every morning, drunk or fat, and put on a uniform to serve a greater purpose than themselves. To support us at the pointy end, so that we may be fed, paid, and supplied so we can do our job. But most of all, to serve their country, which is something I think is lost on you. How dare you call them down. I need them working in their profession, as much as they need me to provide the security so they can do it. One-Big-Team. You, use yours (spine), to hunch over a computer and look for any excuse to extend your discontent for us.
See above, but I'll add this here. Regardless of whether or not someone wishes to call down those who serve. The very reason and nature of their service is to protect the rights of those who both support and condemn their actions. Those rights include their right to free speech. On the flip side, how dare those who serve look down on those who do not as a less worthy being.
Is your issue with LEO/MIL and your incessant need to brow beat us, based on that you couldn't make the cut? Were you too out of shape, had a medical issue, a psych issue, or simply a smarts issue that you couldn't even get recruited as a cook? Which is it.
Are you a thief? Perhaps you should clear this up for us. What exactly happened 6 years ago at The Shooting Edge, a sponsoring company of this forum, whom the owner of said store is also a proud retired CF member, that would cause you to have not stepped foot in to again? What does JR know about you, that though I'm sure he holds much insight, he is against divulging such information in that he took the high road, but it would surely draw a one hell of a light onto you by a panel of your "peers"?
This I will answer via PM if you'd like to know the basic back story but details will remain confidential. Like JR, I will not discuss such issues openly as it does not involve the masses.
I am here to learn, from the shooting professional, competitor, hobbyist, enthusiast and the like. To soak up what is useful to me, to enter into productive and concise conversation in the hopes to broaden my knowledge base, and to perhaps share what has worked, and what hasn't for me in the hopes that I may add to the ENTIRE firearms community, which includes making sure those that would do me, my family, or my countrymen harm are prevented from it. Not to post simply to raise my post count to the thousands (god willing, I'll never get that high so that I convert from doing the things I love, to talking purely talking about them), and remind people of it directly or indirectly. I'm sure this is the intent of most members on here. From what I read from what you've put here, you are here to purely lecture, to take nothing in, and force your knowledge, and though you may be this (knowledgeable), your conveyance of such knowledge, is s**t. And this, I can professionally speak to as to critique you on. What productiveness is this you offer? None.
I stir the pot and shake up the "expert" opinions to get others to think. To think for themselves and to see what validation the "experts" have for preaching what they preach.
You've been talked to by our kind, and your own, reminded, and both have put you in your place. I have otherwise been kind, and even jovial with you up until now, but you have belittled me, us and other wise picked a bone with a brotherhood that have each other's back at any given point, convenient or not, and that is stronger than anything you will ever experience,
"Our kind, and your own". That sounds like elitism at its most basic definition. Are you stating that "your kind" is vastly different and/or superior to "my kind"? What exactly is "your" and "my" kind?
You offend me. You offend those of us that serve.
Good, its entirely your right to be offended.
We are professionals. We are Warriors for those who do not want to, or cannot serve a higher purpose.
What purpose do you serve?
I live my life for me. Anyone can live for someone else's reasons or agenda. Only I can live for me.
My life for you.
Airborne.
it may have no application to the real world what so ever but who gives a flying f**k, its not meant to, its meant to be a fun way to challenge your self and come you shooting skills against others. If some people are too stuck up to have fun they can go back to modeling their gear in the mirror or put your money where your mouth is and join the men and women that serve and protect us if you want the REAL experience.
) That guy rocked that single action!!! pfffffft 
