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So, now that 10rd AR15 mags are legal. Is it possible to make 30rd "AR style" mags that are designed for a bolt action? The reason for asking is because Mark said the RCMP told him 30/10 mags weren't meant for pistols. Perhaps the RCMP feels they'll let us win this one, but aren't going to bend over anymore on the .223 issue.
 
cancer said:
So, now that 10rd AR15 mags are legal. Is it possible to make 30rd "AR style" mags that are designed for a bolt action? The reason for asking is because Mark said the RCMP told him 30/10 mags weren't meant for pistols. Perhaps the RCMP feels they'll let us win this one, but aren't going to bend over anymore on the .223 issue.
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I was talking to John from wolverine and he was a little annoyed that this passed. He said they had been trying to get 30 rounders for the 7615P and that it got declined, so he was going to get in touch with Ottawa and see what the final ruling was.
 
They (Questar) apparently tried to get a 30/10 rounder approved, but was declined. I'm happy with 10 either way.
 
scotty said:
I was talking to John from wolverine and he was a little annoyed that this passed. He said they had been trying to get 30 rounders for the 7615P and that it got declined, so he was going to get in touch with Ottawa and see what the final ruling was.
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The ruling on the 7615P is very simple and not related to this. The 7615P was designed to accept AR15 mags, therefore any magazine designed for it is an AR15 mag. I don't agree with it, but I can see the pseudo logic behind it.
 
scotty said:
I was talking to John from wolverine and he was a little annoyed that this passed. He said they had been trying to get 30 rounders for the 7615P and that it got declined, so he was going to get in touch with Ottawa and see what the final ruling was.
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I can understand John's frustration, but in effect it was Remington who screwed the pooch on this one. The advertize the gun as using AR-15 mags, and that the gun has an adapter built in to take the AR-15 mags. That's all the RCMP needed to look at. Remington advertize that the mag is not there own design or manufacture, and that they have specificly adapted there design to accept a common mag.
 
I would imagine that turning the VZ58 into a pistol should be even easier than turning an AR into one. Granted, you'd have to butcher more 30rd VZ58 mags to get them into 10rd lengths.
 
It's not as easy as just writing "Pistol Mag" on the mags and making a short gun.

You have to make and advertise the firearm as a pistol. Then you have to make the magazines from scratch specfically for that pistol.
 
Armedsask said:
The ruling on the 7615P is very simple and not related to this. The 7615P was designed to accept AR15 mags, therefore any magazine designed for it is an AR15 mag. I don't agree with it, but I can see the pseudo logic behind it.
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How can you say that they aren't related? The mags that questar has gotten approved are AR15 mags pure and simple. Therefore, AR15 mag=5 rds. If they can get these approved as pistol mags then I don't see why they wouldn't approve 30 rd mags for the 7615P. What I find most incredible about all this is that in Canada the AR15 isn't considered a pistol no matter what configuration it's in, so how can their be pistol mags for it? Why only a 10/10 for 5.56 but they approved the Promag 10/32 for 9mm, and wouldn't approve a 10/32 C-Products mag? It doesn't make any sense at all. It seems to depend on what kind of a mood that they are in that day, rather than any kind of logical criteria.

Don't get me wrong, I consider this progress, but I just don't see what kind of logic or rules are being followed.
 
Leg, re-read Armedsask post, there is a logic in there...
RRA manufactured/advertised their LAR-15 as a pistol, based on the AR platform yes but its a pistol. According to our laws a pistol can hold 10 rounds in a mag designed specificly for it, but modifying a rifle mag to hold 10 because you put it in a pistol rounds is illegal.
 
Armedsask said:
The ruling on the 7615P is very simple and not related to this. The 7615P was designed to accept AR15 mags, therefore any magazine designed for it is an AR15 mag. I don't agree with it, but I can see the pseudo logic behind it.
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But I thought that a magazine someone designed specifically for the 7615, on different tools with different dies, would be non-restricted? Did I miss something new? I thought the '7615P' mags were restricted because they virtually were AR15 magazines, off AR15 magazine assembly lines.
 
Luckyorwhat said:
But I thought that a magazine someone designed specifically for the 7615, on different tools with different dies, would be non-restricted? Did I miss something new? I thought the '7615P' mags were restricted because they virtually were AR15 magazines, off AR15 magazine assembly lines.
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Man... how many people have to keep repeating this????

THE 7615 IS ADVERTISED AS BEING MADE TO USE AR-15 MAGAZINES, THEREFORE ANY MAGAZINE MADE FOR A 7615 IS TECHNICALLY ALSO FOR AN AR15.

People really need to get the 7615 out of their heads. The gun is advertised as being made to use AR15 magazines and therefore any mags made for it are considered AR mags.
 
I saw the thread now http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78219 :( I was out of the lood for a few months, missed it. Damn RCMP changed their story, at first I remember they said they couldn't import bigger mags because they were manufactured on the same tools.



In Fantasyland, if AI released a 30-round magazine for their bolt rifles, and Joe Smith designed a semi-auto rifle that would function with the 30-round .308 AI magazine, would that make the magazine prohibited even for the bolt gun? Or is that just what the RCMP would declare, to hell with the law?
 
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