Thoughts from Renegade owners?

Suther said:
You're still missing what I am getting at I think. If the spring was strong enough to make any difference in the safety of the design it would be ridiculously hard to run the action. There is a reason simple blowback designs aren't typically used on rifle cartridges...

Being skeptical about these novel designs, considering how new they are and the limited market they have been released to makes sense. Thinking the spring is going to do anything worthwhile with regards to keeping the bolt forward during an out of battery discharge on the other hand....
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What I would suggest to you is play with the design, both an AR and one of these. Do some dry firing and play with the bolt location - fully seated, partially pulled back in varying positions.
You can drop the hammer up to and including with the bolt half seated. With an AR, the hammer should be blocked from striking the firing pin if an out of battery condition is met.
With these straight pulls? I'm not certain that the engineering is being put into these things...At least with the recoil spring I'd feel a bit better knowing there is some force being applied to the back of the carrier keeping it in battery. I'll leave it there.

Joel said:
Beltfed, didn't you have a sort of OOB firing with one of these types of rifles? If so, I mean I understand the skepticism even more. I really don't find what anyone else thinks of how an AR does or doesn't operate to be worth arguing over and doubt you do either lol. But I always appreciate firsthand takes.
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I fired a round that vented a fair amount of gas into the upper, shooting around the bolt. My firing pin was stuck in the end of the primer. It was in battery, but I think just.
I'm a lefty, so I had a good view of the proceedings.
It was on a mild hand load of 23 gr. of Varget over a 69gr. SMK, so I do not have any reason to suspect a hot load with a pierced primer, and venting through the primer.

Up to that point I would charge the rifle with a pull back on the charging handle and let the recoil spring along carry the round into the chamber and fire. Now I ride the charging handle forward and force it home like a K31 or Krag.
 
OK got ya! Suppose it could just be one sus primer, but again, I see why you feel how you do about them.

So with these guys the recoil spring/buffer aren't actually in contact with the back end of the bolt and pushing it forward?
 
On the Renegade you install a standard AR recoil spring (I think I used a clapped out carbine spring).

On this SBI version, it looks as though they forgo the recoil spring for the ability to do a tear down and cleaning, but that is just a guess after looking through their assembly instructions.
 
beltfed said:
On the Renegade you install a standard AR recoil spring (I think I used a clapped out carbine spring).

On this SBI version, it looks as though they forgo the recoil spring for the ability to do a tear down and cleaning, but that is just a guess after looking through their assembly instructions.
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SBI intentionally made the design avoid any kind of mechanical assistance, to proof the design against the worst machinations of the government the LPC's name is meant to mock. The back of the buffer tube socket is both sealed and offset from the bolt, to avoid the possible of any kind of conversion. The design definitely has an advantage in cleaning over the Renegade as a result, withe BCG just popping out the bottom for easy cleaning.
 
Do you know of any in the wild Ustauk?
I'd be interested in one if I can get my grubby mitts on one to play with before making my decision.
 
beltfed said:
Do you know of any in the wild Ustauk?
I'd be interested in one if I can get my grubby mitts on one to play with before making my decision.
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Some builds from the main LPC thread. You may want to PM them.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2094996-Light-Practical-Carbine-Receiver-Sets-Now-Available!?p=17932900&viewfull=1#post17932900
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2094996-Light-Practical-Carbine-Receiver-Sets-Now-Available!?p=17935533&viewfull=1#post17935533

SBI posted several pictures of several other builds in the CGN thread and on Instagram. You may be able to ask them to pass along your contact info to the owner of one of the builds to see if they want to volunteer their experiences with the firearm.

Adrien the Hunting Gear guy also posted an LPC review. You may want to see if he has any updates. He did note the LPC bolt when placed into battery will remain in place even of the firearm is vertical. It would pop out when mortared.
 
Watching the LPC review now...interesting. The ease of takedown for cleaning does look nice. Might take a while to actually shoot a Renegade dirty enough to remove the bolt...or one day of rain though.
 
beltfed said:
SBI doesn't list those receivers on their website.
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Google Light Practical Carbine SBI. I will post direct link below; I can't remember if you can post a sponsor link outside their forum, so it may be mod deleted.
 
Joel said:
Thanks for your firsthand info/take on it.

Was the straight pull action itself unreliable, or just didn't like the feel of it? And did you have any problems at all besides the seating of different mags?
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There was nothing wrong with the straight pull except for the fact it felt cheap and tinny, and sometimes it wouldn't go into battery...but for me the bigger thing was seating a full mag on a closed bolt on this gun...yes, i know other rifles have had similar issues, but this one is notoriously consistent. Yes, it has been whacked hard upwards - doesn't seat and it is consistent. Maybe it's just my gun.

I think the problem with the straight pull may not be so much with the methodology as it is with my perception of it. It just was not enjoyable, because what was happening was probably that I perceived I can pull it back fast enough to simulate a SA...so that would be on the user (me). The magazine seating thing is definitely the gun, at least the one I have.
 
Thanks again.

Racking the charging handle of an AR has always kinda felt cheap and tinny to me too lol.

If it wouldn't go into battery sometimes I wouldn't call that too reliable. Not cool on a rifle that costs upward of a G. The mag issue sucks, but I think I could get around that. Shouldn't be happening, but eh. One less round in the mags when carrying it hunting or camping.

The bolt not going into battery though, not so much.


Know what? I've changed my mind. Can anyone loan me $10,000 for a Modern Sporter? Hahaha

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So being a gunnut, had to give one a go and see for myself.

Pretty cool little rifle! But I see why some folks said if you want a bolt action, just get a bolt action. Its great looking and seems very well made. Very compact. And if you like the AR, even better. But I don't think it offers enough over my RAR to be worth the extra squeeze. Especially not when you figure in the price of sights and a scope mount, a better trigger, etc. Unless you like the heavy, stagey military trigger.

That said its a badass little gun and the ergonomics and ability to take accessories is great lol. End of the day, they aren't for me but they are pretty dang cool rifles.
 
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