thoughts on semi auto pistol carbines
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Oh ye of little imagination... they're about as useless as a .22 (similar ballistics, three-four times the muzzle energy), except that you can take down a deer or any varmint quite well with a bullet designed to take down a 200 lbs man. It's a bit of a niche product, for sure, meant for shooting at 100m and less. 
I imagine I wouldn't ever hunt deer with it as it's an especially poor choice for that. Any 223 would be head & shoulders better for vermin.Oh ye of little imagination... they're about as useless as a .22 (similar ballistics, three-four times the muzzle energy), except that you can take down a deer or any varmint quite well with a bullet designed to take down a 200 lbs man. It's a bit of a niche product, for sure, meant for shooting at 100m and less.
Range blaster status!
*shakes head* You don't have to use a nuclear sledgehammer to hit the wee mousie, you know.
Consider bow hunters, at not even 100m range, are they especially poor choice for deer hunting? Methinks you've gotten corrupted by the "must have enough muzzle energy to pulverize moose at 800m" dark side crowd. Nothing wrong with having more "powah" than you need, to be sure... as long as you don't come to believe that you can't do anything without it.
Consider bow hunters, at not even 100m range, are they especially poor choice for deer hunting? Methinks you've gotten corrupted by the "must have enough muzzle energy to pulverize moose at 800m" dark side crowd. Nothing wrong with having more "powah" than you need, to be sure... as long as you don't come to believe that you can't do anything without it.
*shakes head* You don't have to use a nuclear sledgehammer to hit the wee mousie, you know.
Consider bow hunters, at not even 100m range, are they especially poor choice for deer hunting? Methinks you've gotten corrupted by the "must have enough muzzle energy to pulverize moose at 800m" dark side crowd. Nothing wrong with having more "powah" than you need, to be sure... as long as you come to believe you can't do anything without it.
A bow is a completely different killing mechanism than a rifle.... Apples and oranges.....
I'm with cub....
I'm not of the "nuclear sledgehammer" group of thought but any stretch. My fave deer rifle is a meager 257Roberts loaded with 100gr C&C bullets topped with a 4x scope.
Like Brad said ........ Apples and oranges.
As mentioned, I don't own "over powered" guns, in fact there's nary a magnum in the safe and I don't shoot anything at 800yds or have the need/desire to own a gun that will.Methinks you've gotten corrupted by the "must have enough muzzle energy to pulverize moose at 800m" dark side crowd. Nothing wrong with having more "powah" than you need, to be sure... as long as you don't come to believe that you can't do anything without it.
9mm semi carbine = range blaster.
Oh ye of little imagination... they're about as useless as a .22 (similar ballistics, three-four times the muzzle energy), except that you can take down a deer or any varmint quite well with a bullet designed to take down a 200 lbs man. It's a bit of a niche product, for sure, meant for shooting at 100m and less.
Yep...my Beretta's niche is shots taken around my house and outbuildings at various varmints and predators, max range 150yards. Mostly coyotes, but also skunks, porkies, feral cats, etc. Stuff that is either causing damage, or presents a hazard to my dogs...specifically NOT deer. A .22mag or a .223 would work just as well, but the Storm carbine just adds an element of fun.
Jeez, SC, I wish you hadn't written that! Now all those "Can I shoot a deer with my .22Hornet? If I do my part? Should be plenty, 'cuz shot placement is everything..." type of guys will be re-thinking their hunting rifles again. And starting threads about it...
No they won't..... Lol
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If they were 1 MOA at 100 I'd jump on them but it seems to me to be a niche product but cool non the less.
pisces-guy
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No, coming from someone that's shot both, yes the Beretta is more refined and a better gun out of the box, but with a bit of wet sanding and a trigger job to get the trigger pull down to under 4 pounds, the Kel-tec Sub2K Gen 2 becomes a nice accurate shooter. It also folds into a nice compact package that fits into practically any backpack or quad box...something the CX-4 and others can't do!
pisces-guy
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I thought all of you 7 and 10mm fans in Greater Kelowna congregated in WEST Kelowna and sat around drinking Budweisers? How are you going to fold your Aero so it tucks into your backpack? :-D
My two cents...
I've owned PCC's.
'Came to the conclusion that with a PCC you have an inferior rifle and/or a huge pistol.
Bottom line is it fires a pistol round and really... That's what pistols are for.
Just my opinion, but for anything other than very specialized purposes the PCC isn't all it's cracked up to be.
I've owned PCC's.
'Came to the conclusion that with a PCC you have an inferior rifle and/or a huge pistol.
Bottom line is it fires a pistol round and really... That's what pistols are for.
Just my opinion, but for anything other than very specialized purposes the PCC isn't all it's cracked up to be.
You gents are funny, and not getting the point. I say "good enough", you say "but this and that is better". Of course! There's plenty of bullets with more power and more range and flatter trajectories and what not! That's not the point. What I've been saying is "So what?, can't you hunt (or kill vermin) without those better bullets?".
It's almost like you don't believe that inside 100m, for targets up to deer weight, a nice 124gr hollow point in the vitals won't drop the wee beasties. Weird.
Nice shooting with your "niche range blaster", Jjohnvm! You're a better shot than I am 'cause I couldn't take a 150m shot if Cub's life depended on it!
What ammo do you normally use with yours?
It's almost like you don't believe that inside 100m, for targets up to deer weight, a nice 124gr hollow point in the vitals won't drop the wee beasties. Weird.
Nice shooting with your "niche range blaster", Jjohnvm! You're a better shot than I am 'cause I couldn't take a 150m shot if Cub's life depended on it!
What ammo do you normally use with yours?
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owned a Kel-Tec Sub2K... total garbage. I'm sure the CX4 is leagues ahead but I prefer my $250 SKS's as range toys.
You gents are funny, and not getting the point. I say "good enough", you say "but this and that is better". Of course! There's plenty of bullets with more power and more range and flatter trajectories and what not! That's not the point. What I've been saying is "So what?, can't you hunt (or kill vermin) without those better bullets?".
It's almost like you don't believe that inside 100m, for targets up to deer weight, a nice 124gr hollow point in the vitals won't drop the wee beasties. Weird.
Nice shooting with your "niche range blaster", Jjohnvm! You're a better shot than I am 'cause I couldn't take a 150m shot if Cub's life depended on it!
Lol.... Occasional small varmints around the house is hardly hunting....
It's not that we think you need some super magnum for basic hunting, but every tool is meant for a job.... Cub's .257 bob is a hunting rifle.... Your PCC I made for keeping the mall food court orderly and zombie defence.....
FYI, .45 acp has about 8 inches of drop at 100 yards.... Are you really confident it will even reach the vitals on deer size game at 100 yards?
hunting deer with a pistol cal carbine and saying its "good enough" would be like pounding in a nail with your screwdriver and saying its good enough..... Except the nail won't suffer needlessly like the deer will if it doesn't work right.....
99.9% of my shooting (target/plinking) is with whatever cheap bulk 9mm I can find on sale. The gun usually wears the irons, or sometimes a red-dot sight, and gets regular re-zeroing because of constant changes in ammo availability.
I also have a jealously-guarded supply of 125mm HP reloads I made up something like 9 or 10 years ago. They are zeroed at 125 yards with a TRS25 red dot on an offset 45-degree mount...that is my skunk-snuffing, porcupine-puncturing, raccoon-riddling, coyote-collapsing go-to setup.
I also have a jealously-guarded supply of 125mm HP reloads I made up something like 9 or 10 years ago. They are zeroed at 125 yards with a TRS25 red dot on an offset 45-degree mount...that is my skunk-snuffing, porcupine-puncturing, raccoon-riddling, coyote-collapsing go-to setup.
Yes. 9mm 124gr JHP though, not .45ACP, and don't go shooting cheap ammo either, quality matters if you want consistent accuracy. It's an 8 MOA target with zero at 50m, 3 inches drop at 75m, 7 inches drop at 100m. Didn't you learn to compensate for bullet drop when shooting hunting calibers at 100-200-300m? Why would you think it's any different when shooting a PCC at 50-75-100m?
The CX4 can do 2 MOA from a rest, 4 MOA is quite doable on an improvised rest. I use a 1-4x scope because my eyes won't let me use iron sights anymore (damnit!). But you do have to stay within the limitations of your weapon: don't go playing Daniel Boone and try some 200-300m shots with a PCC, that's asking for the exact trouble you're so fearing. And for sure don't shoot if you're going to hit a branch along the way, lol!
Look, guys: feel free to believe it's not possible to hunt with a 9mm PCC. I understand you believe you'll either miss or that your deer will have bulletproof hide. It's all right. Really. We'll disagree on that, but I agree with you that a PCC is not the best tool for hunting, I really do. It's a lot harder to use than a purpose-made hunting rifle.
That 12-rounds Beretta 96 mag is great for wood zombies, though!
Have a fine weekend!
