Thoughts on the Tanfoglio Match?

heavenIsAlie said:
sean are those weights with a mag in them? IDPA weights include a mag
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No, they were not. Didn't know about that. Thanks for letting me know.

Just reweighed them - Unfortunately; They go over 43 oz with a mag. :(
I weighed a "Blued Limited Pro" and it's 42 3/8 oz with a mag.
(It would be lighter with aluminum grips and not the standard wood ones)

Based on the weight requirements, it is therefore Tanfoglio's best solution for IDPA.
Here's what a chromed one looks like:
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Onagoth said:
Kind of what I said in post #5...but this is more of an issue for unsanctioned matches I think since MDs usually don't know in advance what guns people are using. No match director will know production volumes of every gun that could poissibly shoot in ssp. It makes this rule difficult to enforce.

Even if you can get production volumes, seems to me that usually you're just taking someones word for it
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The reason why it never comes up is you just don't see odd ball guns at matches. Of the matches I have SO'd the guns are from all the major manufacturers and guns with wide acceptance. Glocks, M&P's, 1911 variants, Springfield XDs and a a few SIGs, CZ'z and Tans. As of Oct. 1 you will be able to shoot a non complying guns in club matches not for score provided you use IDPA compliant holsters, belts and mag holders. From my experience most folks playing the sport use pretty much off the shelf popular guns.

If the MD only had this rule to deal with he would have nothing to do believe me.

Take Care

Bob
 
And what exactly is the right course of action if someone does show up with an odd ball gun, or any gun that the MD is unfamiliar with, and it meets all the requirements of SSP, except you can't verify the porduction volumes?

I'm surprised that you don't seem to understand what I am getting at here
 
Freedom Ventures said:
No, they were not. Didn't know about that. Thanks for letting me know.

Just reweighed them - Unfortunately; They go over 43 oz with a mag. :(
I weighed a "Blued Limited Pro" and it's 42 3/8 oz with a mag.
(It would be lighter with aluminum grips and not the standard wood ones)

Based on the weight requirements, it is therefore Tanfoglio's best solution for IDPA.
Here's what a chromed one looks like:
grandejpg2.jpg
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How much was it over by? Are you able to weigh it with the lightweight aluminum grips?
 
The onus is on the competitor to make sure their equipment is legal. If I'm the MD and you can't prove that your gear is legal then you won't be shooting for score. This has happened in the past without complaint. It certainly may be difficult to enforce but it is still a rule.

As the chief trainer/MD/SO at our club I want to lead.by example and make sure my gear is legal. I was personally interested in the stock ii/iii pistols and I appreciate Sean's prompt and no-nonsense answer.
 
raks said:
The onus is on the competitor to make sure their equipment is legal. If I'm the MD and you can't prove that your gear is legal then you won't be shooting for score. This has happened in the past without complaint. It certainly may be difficult to enforce but it is still a rule.

As the chief trainer/MD/SO at our club I want to lead.by example and make sure my gear is legal. I was personally interested in the stock ii/iii pistols and I appreciate Sean's prompt and no-nonsense answer.
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As an MD its also your responsibility to know the rule book, and not artifically impose unwritten requirements on the shooter. There is no requirement or rule for the shooter to prove anything...equipment checks are recommended/required based on the size of the match, and they are performed by match officials.

The closest thing to requiring a shooter to make sure their equipment is legal is Rule 3.22.7, and that only talks about willfully breaking a rule, not unintentionally breaking a rule because they can't obtain production volumes from the manufacturers.. In fact, I would argue that the onus is on the MD to ensure equipment is legal under Rule 1.3.3.2.8
 
Onagoth said:
And what exactly is the right course of action if someone does show up with an odd ball gun, or any gun that the MD is unfamiliar with, and it meets all the requirements of SSP, except you can't verify the porduction volumes?

I'm surprised that you don't seem to understand what I am getting at here
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I understand it is just that it just doesn't happen. The rule is handled by HQ. I have spoken to AC's who have been playing IDPA virtually since it's inception and have never had to deal with this issue. That would go back to matches from 1995 and on. I do understand what you are getting at but you are concerned about a non issue.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
I understand it is just that it just doesn't happen. The rule is handled by HQ. I have spoken to AC's who have been playing IDPA virtually since it's inception and have never had to deal with this issue. That would go back to matches from 1995 and on. I do understand what you are getting at but you are concerned about a non issue.

Take Care

Bob
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I'm not concerned about it and I'm not the one who brought it up....I'm just noting the obvious practical impossibility of enforcing that rule on the spot at a match.

I'm not sure how much the changes in weight limits will open things up, until yesterday o thought tangfos would be the most likely new competitor in ssp, but not anymore
 
I don't see the weight limit rising beyond 43oz. The IDPA game does favour lighter guns. Stages are shorter on average than say, IPSC with much less movement. Tanfoglio does make guns that do make the limit. You just got to decide which guns you want to compete with and in what Division. I have the Tanfoglio Model "L" that I use in ESP and in IPSC Standard Division. The gun doesn't have all the bells and whistles the Stock 111 has but at my skill level it doesn't make much difference in my scores over a match. I can screw up in enough non shooting ways to pretty much eliminate any advantages the gun brings. Kind of like being 90 years old, married to a 22 year old model.

Take Care

Bob
 
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