Three Russian WWII guns with an early war helmet

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PPSh-41 dated 1943.
Mosin-Nagant M1938.
TT-33 pistol and holster.
SSch-36 helmet with M39 liner.

Russian helmet "Kaska" Mod. 1936. This was the helmet used by Red Army at the beginning of WW2.
(These helmets are quite hard to find....and rather expensive when found.)

I researched this helmet on the war relic’s forum [forum@warrelics.eu]
as I knew nothing about them.

This is what I learned from one of the tech support guys.(Dimas)

He was a Russian fellow I think, so I cleaned up the English a bit below.

Most of these helmets were relined in Leningrad, during the blockade, approx 5000 helmets were redone, the helmets were removed from recycling, and due to that,
all the liners were removed before sending them to recycle
Yours is typical Leningrad redone.
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The helmet is an interesting example... It is not an M39 liner exactly, but what you might call and M39 style liner. You find Ssh-36 and 39 helmets from time to time that have been relined with this liner system. While superficially similar to the Ssh-39 liner, they are not constructed the same as a factory Ssh-39 liner.

Why were they relined? The helmets were relined due to damage or having the original liners removed for winter wear. These liners are all very similar in construction and material make up. Likely they were all done at a single depot location. It is possible that because of the use of crude material and the non-standard construction and installation that these type helmets were relined in Leningrad during the siege.
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Michael Baskette

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Michael Baskette.
Soviet Militaria collector since 1994. Former US Sales manager for Ostfront Militaria.
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The Siege of Leningrad, also known as The Leningrad Blockade (Russian: блокада Ленинграда (transliteration: blokada Leningrada) was the German siege of Leningrad (now Saint Petersburg) during World War II and was one of the longest sieges of a city in modern history. The German plan was coded as Operation Nordlicht (Operation North Light). The siege lasted from September 8, 1941, until it was lifted on January 27, 1944.

David

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Helmet markings.

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F-Tang,

The Russians had their own way of marking guns and magazines which I don't understand.
They are numbers that are tied to different factories or different inspectors I suppose.
On the PPSh-41 there are the numbers 2, 3, 4 on the stock.
On the drum magazine and one of the stick magazines is the number 5.

David

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Beautiful little thing.

The numbers could be inspection marks, some Russian things have various numbers and symbols all over them that seem to make no sense, or they could have been put there by someone else, whoever owned it after the Russians.
 
PPSh appears refurbed. Stock looks like a Yugoslav replacement and not the typical Soviet hardwood. They used the PPSh until replaced by the M49 and later 49/57.

Owned one of the C/A versions in the 80s. 7.62x25 was scarce then and the Portuguese made 7.63 Mauser ammo available was a little under powered for the open bolt system. Drums were time consuming to load and the box mags were real thumb busters. A lot of fun to shoot.
 
The gun was re-serialed to 667 at one point.
The first photo shows "cryllic" "LA" 667.
The gun does not show refinishing.

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Sn. on the stock.

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Sn. on triggerguard assembly.

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I got some feedback from the machinegun forum some years ago as well from Bill Berg that runs the PPSH-41 forum.
Some of the coments;

"3" (cyrillic Z) in oval or circle is a common makers mark found on PPSh-41 mags, and I have a PPSh-41 marked with it. But unfortunately I don't know what maker used that. It might be the marking for the first manufacturer (Zagorsk plant near Moscow), but then again, that site operated only for short period of time and there is a huge number of "3" marked mags floating around. (This fellow was from Finland.)
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Your PPsh was made at factory 357 or the Moscow Tractor Factory. Actually the PPsH 41 was never issued a leather sling and the one on your gun is the issue sling. The erstaz sling did not use any buckles but rather leather straps tied on with pig skin thongs. The shield with a number in it is a sub contractor to the 357 plant who made small parts and magazines etc.
(From Vic the moderator)

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Early PPSh-41 box magazine with serial numbered floor plate.

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Nice stuff Klunk!

We seem to have a similar weakness.

David

Both of the guns shown below are 12(3) converted to semi-auto. (MP40 and MP44)
These two guns were assembled by Erma; the MP40 in 1943, the MP44 in 1944.)

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The gun shown below is a 12(3) converted to semi-auto. (Mk1 Lanchester smg-1942 manufactured by Sterling)

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The PPSh-41 shown below is a 12(3) converted to semi-auto. (dated 1943)

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The Thompson M1928A1 (1942) shown below has been deactivated.

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The gun shown below has been deactivated. (With a moving action.) (MP44 Steyr assembled 44)

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The gun shown below has been deactivated. (With a moving action.) (MG42)

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Both of the guns shown below were assembled by Gustloff; the MG42 in 1943 and the MG34 in 1939.

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This thread started with 'Three WWII Russian guns and an early war helmet'.
It has since gone in a somewhat different direction.

Some years ago I had a standing joke with 'weimajack' after I thought that I went off the deep end.

I said Jacques....no more Nagants...and no more TT-33s.
It was worth a chuckle back then.....but the damage was done.
I have no more room for this stuff.

David

A mix of Tula's and Izhevsk's.

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A universal holster for the Nagant revolver and TT-33 pistol.

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The Russian duck shoot.

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