Tikka blow up
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Thanks for posting the pictures. The digital age sure is fantastic.
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Absolutely. We have a great audience of experts...just too bad we didn't have more time to post....
Why not? said:Cone on guys, get serious!
It is abundantly evident that this in not an ammo problem.
SAKO would not be recalling a specific serial number range of rifles if this was ammo related.
Ted
Now Ted, what makes it abundantly evident without a magnafluxing the gun to see what type of stress fractures the metal has...
Right Ted, sako finnlites, not T3''s, and this is a T3.
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My first thought on this failure is if the bolt remained in the receiver on the T3 failure without set back of the lugs and knowing Sakos "Barrel steel" issue, I'd say this failure is of the same mechanism.....bad barrel steel.
It is pretty hard to make an assessment without the pieces in ones hands. Since the ammo is part of the equation, I can see how one would think it was. Odds are the balance of remaining rounds from the original box should tell. If there were issues with the ammo, I would hope there would have been difficulty in opening the bolt prior to the final failure.....the very least a person has are the remaining shells......which assumes it wasn't one case out of millions and wasn't a premeditated attack against the ammo makers reputation....by a disgruntled employee...
It is pretty hard to make an assessment without the pieces in ones hands. Since the ammo is part of the equation, I can see how one would think it was. Odds are the balance of remaining rounds from the original box should tell. If there were issues with the ammo, I would hope there would have been difficulty in opening the bolt prior to the final failure.....the very least a person has are the remaining shells......which assumes it wasn't one case out of millions and wasn't a premeditated attack against the ammo makers reputation....by a disgruntled employee...
These blowups are not isolated incidents. There were several of them here in the Lower mainland alone that had similar failures. I heard a young fellow in Germany was seriously injured and permanently blinded. Who knows how many other injuries/deaths were not as well publicized. That's enough for me not to ever be interested in buying one. My opinion, listen if you want.
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I also know of several other different brands of rifles over the years, that locked up, destroyed bolts, etc.
This was determined as a bad bunch of steel from a particular billet, and thaty serial numbers were tracked, etc.
I don't see a problem here. The situation was fixed and rifles replaced.
This is the only problem I have heard of with Sako in all their years of production, but I have seen many of Remingtons, and nobody seems to worry about them!
Also, I know of one real engineer on this site that stated that untill you can actually look at the pieces you can not determine the true cause.
And only an egineer or metalurgist could acrtually do that anyway.
The rest of us are "armchair" engineers only....
Cat
This was determined as a bad bunch of steel from a particular billet, and thaty serial numbers were tracked, etc.
I don't see a problem here. The situation was fixed and rifles replaced.
This is the only problem I have heard of with Sako in all their years of production, but I have seen many of Remingtons, and nobody seems to worry about them!
Also, I know of one real engineer on this site that stated that untill you can actually look at the pieces you can not determine the true cause.
And only an egineer or metalurgist could acrtually do that anyway.
The rest of us are "armchair" engineers only....
Cat
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TIKKA - SAKO - BERETTA recall!
Since November 2004 a serious problem has surfaced affecting stainless steel Tikka and Sako rifles. There have been several instances of "self-destruction," some involving personal injury. Nothing has been posted (as of 12-26-2004) on any of the three Web sites. One user's report noted, referring to the SAKO Finnlite model, "They have all been pulled from the shelves." This is no minor problem as can be seen if you examine some of the photos here (scroll down to "Re: Sako Blow-up" posted by "Lawndart") you will see the a result one shooter. The current thinking is a problem with the stainless steel barrels and some report offers to replace just the barrel while others report offers to replace the entire rifle. A poster at another forum (http://tinyurl.com/6mfuo) wrote: "recall on [Tikka] T3 Stainless rifles with serial numbers starting with 419140 and going to 461951." This information should not, however, be accepted as all-inclusive. Several shooters wrote they had received a "recall notice" from Beretta. Also, several people provided telephone numbers: Beretta 800-636-3420; in Canada, contact Stoeger's 800-263-1945. Another shooter posted this information:
"I had one of the recalled rifles (.308). After a lot of research and BS'ing with people at Beretta's customer service I finally got the direct phone number (301)-283-2191. Cheryl (ext 1212) is in charge of this "situation" and was very helpfull (once she called me back). The best thing to do is to call that number then hit "0" for the receptionist. You won't get through to Cheryl but chances are you will get through to Peter. I spoke with him twice and he got my message to Cheryl with a quick response."
What comes through "loud and clear" is shooters' disgust with the Beretta-SAKO-Tikka hierachy which apparently is refusing to publish any useful or explanatory information on any of the three websites. If you even think you might have one of the affected products, do NOT attempt to fire the rifle without assurance from the manufacturer that your rifle is safe to fire. Websites: Tikka, SAKO, Beretta USA
Outdoor Life magazine noted, in mid-2005, that this recall was "...99 percent complete. The firearm's importer, Beretta USA, reported that all but 20 of the 2,700 guns affected by the recall had been returned or were in the process of being returned. At least six cases of rifle failure have been reported, according to the Outdoor Wire, with the most serious case occurring to a Washington shooter who broke bones in his hand when his gun barrel exploded."
TIKKA - SAKO - BERETTA recall!
Since November 2004 a serious problem has surfaced affecting stainless steel Tikka and Sako rifles. There have been several instances of "self-destruction," some involving personal injury. Nothing has been posted (as of 12-26-2004) on any of the three Web sites. One user's report noted, referring to the SAKO Finnlite model, "They have all been pulled from the shelves." This is no minor problem as can be seen if you examine some of the photos here (scroll down to "Re: Sako Blow-up" posted by "Lawndart") you will see the a result one shooter. The current thinking is a problem with the stainless steel barrels and some report offers to replace just the barrel while others report offers to replace the entire rifle. A poster at another forum (http://tinyurl.com/6mfuo) wrote: "recall on [Tikka] T3 Stainless rifles with serial numbers starting with 419140 and going to 461951." This information should not, however, be accepted as all-inclusive. Several shooters wrote they had received a "recall notice" from Beretta. Also, several people provided telephone numbers: Beretta 800-636-3420; in Canada, contact Stoeger's 800-263-1945. Another shooter posted this information:
"I had one of the recalled rifles (.308). After a lot of research and BS'ing with people at Beretta's customer service I finally got the direct phone number (301)-283-2191. Cheryl (ext 1212) is in charge of this "situation" and was very helpfull (once she called me back). The best thing to do is to call that number then hit "0" for the receptionist. You won't get through to Cheryl but chances are you will get through to Peter. I spoke with him twice and he got my message to Cheryl with a quick response."
What comes through "loud and clear" is shooters' disgust with the Beretta-SAKO-Tikka hierachy which apparently is refusing to publish any useful or explanatory information on any of the three websites. If you even think you might have one of the affected products, do NOT attempt to fire the rifle without assurance from the manufacturer that your rifle is safe to fire. Websites: Tikka, SAKO, Beretta USA
Outdoor Life magazine noted, in mid-2005, that this recall was "...99 percent complete. The firearm's importer, Beretta USA, reported that all but 20 of the 2,700 guns affected by the recall had been returned or were in the process of being returned. At least six cases of rifle failure have been reported, according to the Outdoor Wire, with the most serious case occurring to a Washington shooter who broke bones in his hand when his gun barrel exploded."
