Tikka T3 Lite Kick- 300WSM vs.270WSM?

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Looking to pick up a lighter mountain rifle as my old Browning BBR 300WM is a bit too heavy at around 12 pounds all scoped with rounds. So any advise from forum on those who have shot both calibers? The new gun will be shared with my wife as well so she may use a lighter grain round when she uses it. And yes I like Limbsaver and no brake.

I'm also considering the same calibers in Browning Mountain Ti. so welcome any Browning shooters!
 
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Recoil tolerance is very subjective. The fit of the rifle, experience of the shooter, volume of practice, position (prone, bench, off-hand etc) all have a bearing. The T3 Lite will weigh a little more than half of your BBR (mine in .338 with a light scope is 6.5lbs w/o ammo).
 
I own a T3 SS/Lam in 300WSM, and have shot a 270WSM blued/synthetic, both with Limbsavers. I'm 5'9, 180lbs(and like long walks with dolphins;)), I don't consider myself recoil sensitive.
IMHO,YMMV, the 300WSM in a light rifle was maybe a mistake on my part. Quite a snappy round that for practical purposes-under 300m-has no advantage over my 30-06.
If I was going to do it again,-especially if my 5'4, 140lb wife was going to shoot it-given those two choices I'd get the 270. What/Where are you planning to hunt with it? I haven't researched the 270WSM vs. moose, I assume it would be fine?
 
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I own a T3 SS/Lam in 300WSM, and have shot a 270WSM blued/synthetic, both with Limbsavers. I'm 5'9, 180lbs(and like long walks with dolphins;)), I don't consider myself recoil sensitive.
IMHO,YMMV, the 300WSM in a light rifle was maybe a mistake on my part. Quite a snappy round that for practical purposes-under 300m-has no advantage over my 30-06.
If I was going to do it again,-especially if my 5'4, 140lb wife was going to shoot it-given those two choices I'd get the 270. What/Where are you planning to hunt with it? I haven't researched the 270WSM vs. moose, I assume it would be fine?
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In my view the .270 wsm offers nothing practical over the regular .270 Win. Keep in mind too that all Tikka's use a long action.

Just for comparison's sake, I did a quick calculation. Your BBR with 180's @ 3100 will have slightly less calculated recoil than a T3 in .30-06 shooting 150's at 3000fps (7.5lbs). The .300wsm with 180's @ 3100 will have approximately 50% more recoil than your BBR. The .270 WSM with 130's at 3200 will be about 10% more recoil, but the velocity of the recoiling firearm will be about about 30% greater. The .270 Win with 130's at 3150 will have slightly less recoil than your BBR, but again the velocity of the recoiling firearm will be about 20% greater.

But, like I said, lots of things factor into how it actually feels.

w ww.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp
 
All tikkas have the same action length, so if you must have that make of rifle, get the 300wm.

It's cheaper (from what I've seen) and more widely available. It's also like 50-100fps faster. If you were buying a Savage I'd say get the 300WSM because those guns in short action are all business.
 
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In my view the .270 wsm offers nothing practical over the regular .270 Win. Keep in mind too that all Tikka's use a long action.
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Agree. I drank the kool-aid on the 300 short mag. LOOK! 1/2" flatter at 200m vs 30-06, and the factory rounds are more expensive and harder to find! Whoo-hoo! I r smart!:redface: The OP gave me those two choices, but I would pick .270 Win for deer. He did say mountain rifle, so maybe goats? I haven't hunted mountain goats yet.
 
I'm open to opinions on any feeding /jamming issue's on the short mags as well.
I'm going to use the lite gun for Goat and Elk hunting. Also I've shot some very impressive African game with a regular 270 at some distance so I'm ok with the caliber.
For up close and personal I would rather use a bow.
 
I had a t3 light in the 300 WSM and I remember thinking that the recoil was pretty harsh. I now have a 270 WSM in a mountain rifle that weighs about 6 1/3 lbs scoped and find that with 130's it's quite manageable. Never owned the two at the same time so the 300wsm is from memory but I was shooting 180's.
 
I had a T3 Lite stainless in .270 WSM and it was a beautiful rifle. Bought it off a buddy for the right price so I shot it for a while. I then got the long range bug and started "trying" to shoot it probably waaaaaaaay more than normally advised in one sitting. At first recoil was tolerant as it was short and quick, but after about 20rds at the range I felt as though my shoulder was going to fall off hahaha. Beautiful rifle, awesome shooter (consistently sub 1" sometimes .5" @ 200yds) but not what I wanted to endure for prolonged range sessions. The answer was a 13lb .308 to shoot ALL day. In hindsight I would have kept it as it was a great rifle all around. On a lighter note the fellow I sold It to wanted it for his wife and I jokingly told him to handcuff her in a batting cage so she could get ready for shooting it haha. Would I buy one again? Sure! Would go for the 300wsm next time though. Just thought I'd share my experience :).
 
I know you said you did not want a brake on the rifle........

But here is an option:

Have a brake installed to shoot at the range because you always wear less clothes when shooting target, when hunting time comes along remove the brake install the threads protector and hunt, in the fall we always have more clothes on plus with the rush of shooting on game you never feel the recoil.

Personally I own both calibers mentioned.
I have a T3 Lite Stainless in 270wsm and I also have a Browning A Bolt Stainless in 300wsm. I reload for both, I guess you can say the I'm recoil sensitive and I'm also 6' 3" , but that means nothing. But with practice and regular use one become tolerant.

To add my $0.02 worth if you check the chart the 270wsm loaded with 150gr (commercial) matches in performance the .300wm with same load.

Hope this helps out for you.
 
I've been lucky to try side by side both Tikka T3 in 270 WSM, 7 Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag and Remington 700 CDL in 270 WSM and 300 WSM.

I could not tell much difference between 270 WSM and 7 Rem Mag but 300 Win Mag was a big notch above these 2.
We did the same comparison on the Remington and got the same result: 300 Mag recoil is a big notch above 270/7mm Mag recoil.

Will it make a difference for a well trained rifleman? Probably in a light rifle but not in an heavier rifle.
I do shoot a lot and my "big rifle" is a Remington 700 CDL 270 WSM but I wish that I had bought in 7mm-08 instead.

Alex
 
I've experience bench shooting a T3 in 300 WSM and it's Sako equivalent, the A7 in 270 WSM.

Both guns have some kick. But a 300 shooting 165s or 180s is going to kick noticeably more than a 270 popping 130s. A Limbsaver is a very affordable and darn good idea for either! I'd take the .270 WSM every time, as I see no need whatsoever, save for dangerous game, for heavier bullets than it can handle.

All things being equal, a 300 WSM kicks marginally less than a 300 Win Mag.

The T3 feeds WSMs like butter, the smoothest feeding action I've ever handled by far!

As for the T3's action not being of the "short" variety, but rather compensated for by the clip, frankly I never even noticed until I saw this mentioned here. IMHO, so what! It works like a hot damn, and the rifle is about as sweet to carry as it ever needs to get!

And as for accuracy, a great deal more money is often paid out for rifles that, if one is lucky enough, hopefully will shoot as remarkably tight little groups as does the Tikka! With factory ammo no less!

All in all, the T3 is one helluva kickass hunting rifle! Especially for the money they cost!

FWIW
 
Thanks to all who replied so far, it looks like the general feedback is that the 270WSM has less bark and punch than it's bigger brother. While still having the same or flatter trajectory for those long shots to the far ridge.

So now all I have to figure out is it a Tikka lite or a Browning Ti. ?? any thoughts?
 
HammerAl said:
Thanks to all who replied so far, it looks like the general feedback is that the 270WSM has less bark and punch than it's bigger brother. While still having the same or flatter trajectory for those long shots to the far ridge.

So now all I have to figure out is it a Tikka lite or a Browning Ti. ?? any thoughts?
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I'm a big Remington fan (and have been disappointed with a Remington) but I have never, ever met a disappointed Tikka T3 buyer!

Just make sure you get a stainless steel one!

Alex
 
Buy a tikka, i have the 270wsm. put a limb saver on it. Not only does it add to length of pull, (potentially a bad thing if you're rocking shorter arms, but for myself it worked great) it cuts down recoil nicely. Easily soiled my shooting time. I love my tikka, and if you do your own hand loading you can build 160 grain pills for it, or in factory the biggest I've seen is 150. Unless you cannot get by without running 30 cal, 270 is a nice option.
 
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I have a Tikka T3 Lite in .270 WSM. Like others have said you'll only notice the recoil on the range. Get the limbsaver and if that's not enough Old Owl's suggestion for a removal brake is good.

You might want a trigger job too. I did all three to mine.
 
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