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As cool as the rifle is , and being one of the few bullpups in Canada , but common No flash hider , no threaded barrel etc for 2300 dollars and on top of that extorting the fact it uses FN FAL mags @ 50+ $ a piece when you can buy them in the states for under 20 bucks a piece ?

This rifle was suppose to be under 2 grand and now with mags its going into the 3 grand range ? give me a f**king break..

Not to mention our dollar is on par with the states or close and the rifle goes for 1400 down south .. why the big inflation ? seems odd.

Not trying to sound all pissy but it seems like maybe this market is possibly being taken advantage of.
 
Kc.338Lp said:
As cool as the rifle is , and being one of the few bullpups in Canada , but common No flash hider , no threaded barrel etc for 2300 dollars and on top of that extorting the fact it uses FN FAL mags @ 50+ $ a piece when you can buy them in the states for under 20 bucks a piece ?

This rifle was suppose to be under 2 grand and now with mags its going into the 3 grand range ? give me a f**king break..

Not to mention our dollar is on par with the states or close and the rifle goes for 1400 down south .. why the big inflation ? seems odd.

Not trying to sound all pissy but it seems like maybe this market is possibly being taken advantage of.
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i think you need to read the entire thread

why anyone would even consider importing anything at all unless there were money to be made
that is why they are bringing them in after all. to feed their families.
 
I have read almost the entire thread . and i understand that no matter what there will always be a markup , however with the VAST price changes between here and the united states it HAS to make one think what could possibly cause such a giant increase in price .

From what ive read so far i dont see much difference between the Canadian version and the united states version except they had to re etch the .308 win instead of 7.62 , which obviously cant cost 1000$ per rifle.

And FN FAL mags are usually 20-25 bucks sometimes 30 $ but 50 $ is a little ridiculous .
 
Kc.338Lp said:
Not trying to sound all pissy but it seems like maybe this market is possibly being taken advantage of.
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Too late.

If you think you can do it cheaper, please attempt to purchase one in the US and import it here (LEGALLY). I'm SURE you can do it for WAAAAAY cheaper. :rolleyes:

Get serious. If you can't afford it, smile and move on. Too bad for you.

I don't hear anyone pissing and moaning about the cost of the Swiss Arms rifles. Or the FS2000. Or the Tavor.

If it's not 'worth it' to you, fine. Don't bash the importers for 'gouging' or screwing you over. It costs what it costs. Don't like it? Don't pay it. Simple.
 
So when these RFB's start showing up, is every location going to have the same price?

Will I be able to walk into my local gun store and order an RFB and have it still cost me the same as it would, from say Wolverine?
 
Kc.338Lp said:
Not trying to sound all pissy but it seems like maybe this market is possibly being taken advantage of.
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Non-restricted, truly-ambidextrous (casings eject through the front), you can hunt with it... and best of all - the FRT has been approved! No offence, but at $2,399 who's taking advantage of who here...? Oh, did I also mention it's black and scary? ;)
 
Because in the U.S. there is (probably) a thousand different online retailers all vying for your money...not here. Remember the MSRP in the states is $1880...we're not that far off, just don't have the same fight for product.
 
Kc.338Lp said:
All true and valid points , but IF this firearm was restricted , why could i see it being around 1500-1600 and not 2300.
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If the RFB was restricted, there would be less of a market for it - and I'm not sure Vault would have invested the time and expense to get it imported (nor would Kel-Tec necessarily have been able to justify the Canadian-specific changes to the RFB and the numerous export application attempts). Actually, I'm pretty certain if the RFB was restricted you'd never see it here at all (so price would be somewhat moot).

If you're prepared to wait a year or two you might be able to get a used one for under $2k (if you can find someone willing to part with theirs, that is)...
 
This is purely hypothetical and I am not trying to stir things up but:

If we had the Kel-tec RFB-C in stock for immediate delivery who would pay $3,000? Who would pay $3,500.00 if she was complete with 10 spare mags?

Remember we are talking about a non-restricted .308 Bull pup rifle. After all in a free market the price of anything is set by what someone is prepared to sell an item for and what someone is prepared to pay. I see Valmet M78 listed at over $5,000 on CGN.

No, this will not affect our future selling price as the MAP is set by VAULT and I am sure that if I charged even one dollar more my feet would be held to the fire here! I am very curious to see how you, the consumer value this rifle?
 
Mr Wolverine said:
This is purely hypothetical and I am not trying to stir things up but:

If we had the Kel-tec RFB-C in stock for immediate delivery who would pay $3,000? Who would pay $3,500.00 if she was complete with 10 spare mags?

Remember we are talking about a non-restricted .308 Bull pup rifle. After all in a free market the price of anything is set by what someone is prepared to sell an item for and what someone is prepared to pay. I see Valmet M78 listed at over $5,000 on CGN.

No, this will not affect our future selling price as the MAP is set by VAULT and I am sure that if I charged even one dollar more my feet would be held to the fire here! I am very curious to see how you, the consumer value this rifle?
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Here is my personal Hypothetical answer:

If i want it and i can afford it then i will buy it. When i started out with my first firearm purchase about 6 years ago my budget was $300.00 for a fun rifle (SKS). Two years later i was justifying $2000.00 for a fun rifle (XCR). Last year i purchased 2 custom rifles and justified $5000.00 per rifle.

So basically i would guess that you would have no problem selling 10-15 packages at $3500.00 if such an offer was available.

There are a number of collectors/enthusiasts on this site that have no qualms with spending in excess of $10,000.00 (price includes the variety of bolt on speed parts) for a Range only AR type rifle.

Then again that is just my opinion and well all know what internet opinions are worth :D
 
I put my name on the ArmsEast list 'awhile' ago, obviously that did not happen. The talk then was about $2100-ish.
My thoughts were 'Hey great, a Rifle that I won't have to pay $40 a mag for..." because FAL mags are everywhere CHEAP!
Well, little did I suspect that the cheap old FAL mags would cost MORE than a brand new P-Mag, E-Mag, whatever-mag.

But, How does it shoot? Accuracy? What is the trigger like? Quality? Durability?
What is the priced based on? Is the price what it is because it is a 'Bullpup'? Ohhhh-Ahhhhh Wow..

on that note... I would pay the $2400, it is less than the over-priced Tavor.(the Shekkel is crashing but the price went up?)
.....but I would get my own mags...for 1/2 the price.

One other point. Swiss Arms used to be $2800. A great price for a Proven Great Rifle. Fantastic Quality, Accuracy and best trigger in the biz.

Switches to another Distributor......$3400. That shows you that the Distributor is the one in control.

Edit: Why can't we ever have cheap mags here in Canada? Our forces used to be armed with the FAL...there are untold masses of FAL mags everywhere.....F the $50 mags.
Phew... I feel better.......:)
 
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So basically i would guess that you would have no problem selling 10-15 packages at $3500.00 if such an offer was available.
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Sure. Keep the numbers low. Guess which gun gets banned next? The model that has been sold in the thousands, or just a few? Make it as affordable as possible...it ...is....not....rocket...science.
 
These look interesting... (should be RFB compatible, no?)

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You hit this one write on the head. If we didn't get the non restricted classification on the RFB from the CFR here in Canada, Vault wouldn't have invested all the time,money and "HUGE" hassle to deal with the Department Of State in the U.S. to bring it in.

blaxsun said:
If the RFB was restricted, there would be less of a market for it - and I'm not sure Vault would have invested the time and expense to get it imported (nor would Kel-Tec necessarily have been able to justify the Canadian-specific changes to the RFB and the numerous export application attempts). Actually, I'm pretty certain if the RFB was restricted you'd never see it here at all (so price would be somewhat moot).

If you're prepared to wait a year or two you might be able to get a used one for under $2k (if you can find someone willing to part with theirs, that is)...
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The rifle comes with one magazine.

At this time my broker is helping the person at Kel-Tec thats getting all the paperwork together to be able to ship our order. I pay the broker for his services, which is another part of the import costs. He makes sure all the paperwork is in line when the shipment hits Canada Customs.

I'm hoping the shipment will leave Kel-Tec sometime next week. I will let you all know when it does.
 
I just want to understand.

Is every outlet going to be selling the rfb at the same price? Will there be any mark up for retail outlets, or even small gun shops? you know, custom order or what have you?
 
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