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Official Press Release from ATPQ regarding the Future of IPSC Shooting in Quebec

For personal reasons, Frank Crcek has resigned from his post as section coordinator. Mario Kolethras will be the section coordinator in the interim.

In mid January the Quebec Department of Firearms Control Office has asked some information regarding our sport. ATPQ has communicated on a regular basis with the controller’s office answering all questions pertaining to IPSC shooting in Quebec. At the end of January, IPSC Canada and the Federation Quebecoise de Tir were informed of the situation. They have offered to help us.

Around mid February, ATPQ has provided information regarding the situation of IPSC and Surete. The result from this information led us to call a meeting with all the club representatives in Drummondville on March 3rd. At this meeting, it was decided to send an official letter to the Department of Firearms Control Office to have more information of regarding the motives of the study on IPSC shooting. We had also asked to meet with the Officials from the Controller’s Office to better explain what is IPSC in Quebec. The Controller’s Office was very receptive to meet with ATPQ.

On March 31st, ATPQ and the FQT have meet with the representatives of the Department of Firearms Control. That meeting was very productive for both parties. We answered their questions and provided information concerning the way we shoot and practice IPSC shooting in Quebec. There were questions on the qualification of our shooters, the Black Badge course, the setup of the matches, the Range Officers and the movement. This has permitted to demystify many points. From their side, the representatives of the Department of Firearms Control have assured us that they do not want to stop IPSC shooting in Quebec. They want to make sure that the approvals of the shooting clubs meet their requirements in relation to the way we practice IPSC shooting. It is too soon to come to a conclusion on the way the new approvals will be made. For the time being, the Department of Firearms Control is working on their study. They have confirmed to us that they will complete their study as soon as possible. At the end of the meeting, both parties have agreed to keep in contact.

For the time being, we recommend that you communicate with your club representatives regarding any future matches that have been scheduled for the 2006 season.

Your Association, ATPQ, is working very hard to save our favourite sport. The number one priority of the Association is to defend our sport. All efforts and energies are devoted to this priority and only this priority. Be assured that as soon as we have more information on this matter, updates will be posted on our web site.
Unity is our strength.

Thank you all for your support.

ATPQ
 
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I would like to know under what authority they can stop IPSC? Is there any point in law for them to base this on? I mean are they going to stop hunters from walking around with loaded guns? what about when you are at a range by yourself? can you not pick up and shoot your gun while walking? what about PPC? what about the cops on private ranges? etc etc?
 
Slavex said:
I would like to know under what authority they can stop IPSC? Is there any point in law for them to base this on?
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Given that they grant "approval" for range usage they could in effect stop anything by simply saying that whatever activity (PPC, IPSC etc) can't be run safely on a particular range... So IPSC although very safe (Has anyone been shot at a match?) can be stopped by saying your range isn't up to snuff for runnin' and gunnin'

That's my take on it.... As far as police range use... Who cares what they do. They are not subject to the same rules as the general public.
I know of one service who practice FA in a friggin' quarry...
 
no they are not subject to the the same government rules as us, but they are subject to private range rules when they rent range time.
 
I think the answer is that all shooting by the police cease, at private clubs, until this is resolved in favour of IPSC Quebec.

Good luck guys.

At least you know that you're welcome in all the other sections.

RePete.
 
RePete said:
I think the answer is that all shooting by the police cease, at private clubs, until this is resolved in favour of IPSC Quebec.
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While a noble idea, that would probably cut off a major (or the major) source of income to private clubs and possibly close them permanently.
 
The point is correct that through the Firearms Act, the provinces have most of the say in how and where we enjoy our sport. The CFO has the authority to approve ranges and their operating instructions. If they decide funny hats interfere with concentration, they have the power to ban them.

The world view of the Quebec bureaucracy (all of it not just the firearms part), is to be cautious and permit what is written down versus the largely Anglo-Saxon attitude of 'if it isn't written down, you can do it'.

I would wonder where a generally Francophone advisory board gets its information. (One tenet of the French-language laws has been to let Francophones work in French.) IPSC Quebec's meeting typifyed the consultation and education process that precedes many public interest decisions in Quebec.

For Anglos, we gather English-language information from a vast and varied body of knowledge from around the World. French-speaking Quebec on the other hand, has its own cautious and codifed knowledge and a few other Francophone cultures to look to. It means they can make the wrong decision for all the right reasons, or vice versa. It also explains why the more successful and influential parts of Quebec society sends its kids to school in English ....

(I grew up in Quebec, so I can say these things. I'm not be anti-French, only openminded and realistic.)
 
You're right about the french access to information maple leaf. Everything in the end will turn out poorly for us ... but do you see how many people were willing to turn out for a protest? Now you know why!
 
doc25 said:
You're right about the french access to information maple leaf. Everything in the end will turn out poorly for us ... but do you see how many people were willing to turn out for a protest? Now you know why!
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Doc, you don't have a clue of what you are talking about..... ! :(
 
Simon the French access to information I mean is that a lot of unilingual French people only have access to Quebec media and information from France. It is not a flame at French people in the least. This also does not apply to bilingual French people. I hope I made myself clear and apologize if I offended you or anyone else.
 
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Simon the French access to information I mean is that a lot of unilingual French people only have access to Quebec media and information from France. It is not a flame at French people in the least. This also does not apply to bilingual French people. I hope I made myself clear and apologize if I offended you or anyone else.
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I was not refeering to the language thing.........I meant the whole IPSC thing in Quebec.........A protest at parthenais would have only set us back even further if done in the early days of the situation..........There is time for everyting, but now is not the time !
 
Yes, as promised to all our faithful members effective immediately IPSC is back in its previous full force at Club de Tir Ville St. Pierre. The Surete du Querbec has restored all our privileges regarding our matches.
CTVSP was created with IPSC in mind, and we will continue to be the leaders of IPSC in Quebec.

I would like to take this time, to give a special thank you to the Club de Tir Ville Saint Pierre IPSC committee that helped to prepare a concrete, intelligent and detailed presentation for the Surete de Quebec. Special thanks also to our great Club reps Sylvain et Peter and to Henry Cardinal for their endless hard work and intelligent input regarding IPSC at CTVSP.

We would also like to thank all those involved at the Surete de Quebec for meeting our CTVSP committee to discuss IPSC at Club de Tir Ville St-Pierre. It was gratifying to see their enthusiasm in holding a well-prepared meeting. The responsible staff and management of the Surete, helped us resolve the IPSC dilemma at CTVSP. It was a real privilege to be part of such professionalism. The Surete is to be commended for their patience and prompt action in helping our range return to its normal status.

CTVSP renews its commitment to make Quebec a great part of IPSC in Canada. This ordeal will prove to all IPSC Shooters our interest in helping our Quebec IPSC Shooters enjoy their sport. Please encourage and give your club reps all your support. Their commitment to the sport will only help all IPSC shooters in this province. Give them your backing in making all the necessary changes to return IPSC to its prior status.

Luigi Arena
Director of CTVSP
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By protesting too fast and "jumping wires"...........this is what wouldn't have happened...............Good things come to the ones who wait !
 
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Sorry simonyizer I disagree about that. I don't think waiting is the best answer for situations like this. It turned out ok this time (so far) but it is easier to show the SQ that we are displeased immediately rather than try to have them reverse a decision already made. No one wants egg on their face and a reversal of any decision would leave them feeling like that in my opinion.
 
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