Tinck Arms Perun X16
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Covered before, and not likely all things considered.
The lower is basically a standard AR15 lower with the buffer tower cut off. Therefore, it will mount and fire a standard AR15 upper. It would launch the bolt carrier out the back but it would fire once. Therefore it is an AR15 variant.
This is a relatively simple problem to solve but it would involve redesigning the rifle. Make the lower without the rear pin and cut out to fit an AR15 upper rear attachment lug. Same idea as the ATRS lower would work.
Then again, who knows what would happen in these times.
This is a relatively simple problem to solve but it would involve redesigning the rifle. Make the lower without the rear pin and cut out to fit an AR15 upper rear attachment lug. Same idea as the ATRS lower would work.
Then again, who knows what would happen in these times.
I hate to pour cold water on new stuff, but what is the point of this design?
The whole point of AR gas tube/bolt piston integration is to create a super compact gas system with minimum receiver height/component/bulk.
This bascially is an AR with the gas piston taken from the bolt tail to the top of the BGC. This blocky BGC hooked up to a gas tube setup has the bulkiness of your run of the mill G36/SCAR/BREN setup, and retain all the issue with pipping gas all the way back to the back - ie, the trickiness in the timing of the extraction cycle in AR15 is like 80% retained in this hybrid. It is like you are intentionally trying to make the math harder by adding more weight to gas pressure and pressurization time in the equation.
With this, you get all the bulk and size of G36/SCAR/BREN, and retain 80% of the gas/pressurization trickiness of the AR.
The only reason I can see that why this is created - it is nice to have long handgaurd. Because AR doesn't exhaust gas to the front, it can have as long a handguard as people desire. Any other push rod guns with piston rod exhaust gas near the gas block, that means it a hassle to have longer handguards in systems like SCAR/BREN2/APC. This is kinda like letting the tail wig the dog, trying to make thing nicer to touch and deleting mechanical advantages.
But if I have to insist on having long handguard, it is easier and cheaper to buy a regular AR. If I want a push rod gun in an AR shell, there is HK416. But I dont see why there is a need for a SCAR/BREN/APC with an AR gas tube, but I guess everything you can possibly think of has now been created!
The whole point of AR gas tube/bolt piston integration is to create a super compact gas system with minimum receiver height/component/bulk.
This bascially is an AR with the gas piston taken from the bolt tail to the top of the BGC. This blocky BGC hooked up to a gas tube setup has the bulkiness of your run of the mill G36/SCAR/BREN setup, and retain all the issue with pipping gas all the way back to the back - ie, the trickiness in the timing of the extraction cycle in AR15 is like 80% retained in this hybrid. It is like you are intentionally trying to make the math harder by adding more weight to gas pressure and pressurization time in the equation.
With this, you get all the bulk and size of G36/SCAR/BREN, and retain 80% of the gas/pressurization trickiness of the AR.
The only reason I can see that why this is created - it is nice to have long handgaurd. Because AR doesn't exhaust gas to the front, it can have as long a handguard as people desire. Any other push rod guns with piston rod exhaust gas near the gas block, that means it a hassle to have longer handguards in systems like SCAR/BREN2/APC. This is kinda like letting the tail wig the dog, trying to make thing nicer to touch and deleting mechanical advantages.
But if I have to insist on having long handguard, it is easier and cheaper to buy a regular AR. If I want a push rod gun in an AR shell, there is HK416. But I dont see why there is a need for a SCAR/BREN/APC with an AR gas tube, but I guess everything you can possibly think of has now been created!
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If you watch the video, and the one on Bloke on the Range, suppression is legal in Slovenia and the U.S. The Perun takes the center of mass balance advantage of the AR-15 platform compared to more front heavy piston guns, but excises most of the gas ahead the receiver, which in pure DI guns can squeeze out of the receiver towards the gunner's face under suppression, especially with a standard AR-15 rear charging handle. Since suppressors are highly regulated to the point of effective prohibition here, the suppressor usage scenario generally doesn't apply to Canada. The center of mass is still an advantage, though it is probably minor compared to a Bren.
The CMMG Dissent is used suppressed in the U.S. with a side charging handle and has a similar level of lack of gassing, but it uses a 180 / Stoner Piston hybrid similar to the J180, so the whole forward piston of receiver thing on the Perun may be overkill. Only time will tell.
The parts compatibility of the lower nice. It would be cool if they could make copy to fit the Jard J180's upper, as it's lower has some problems, but looks similar.
If you watch the video, and the one on Bloke on the Range, suppression is legal in Slovenia and the U.S. The Perun takes the center of mass balance advantage of the AR-15 platform compared to more front heavy piston guns, but excises most of the gas ahead the receiver, which in pure DI guns can squeeze out of the receiver towards the gunner's face under suppression, especially with a standard AR-15 rear charging handle. Since suppressors are highly regulated to the point of effective prohibition here, the suppressor usage scenario generally doesn't apply to Canada. The center of mass is still an advantage, though it is probably minor compared to a Bren.
The CMMG Dissent is used suppressed in the U.S. with a side charging handle and has a similar level of lack of gassing, but it uses a 180 / Stoner Piston hybrid similar to the J180, so the whole forward piston of receiver thing on the Perun may be overkill. Only time will tell.
The parts compatibility of the lower nice. It would be cool if they could make copy to fit the Jard J180's upper, as it's lower has some problems, but looks similar.
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Thread revival...
Saying that the Perun X-16 is an "AR-variant" is no different than calling the ATRS MV or AR-180B / WK-180C an "AR-variant"... It's not. They're incompatible.
You CANNOT mount an AR-15 lower to the X-16 upper, or vice-versa, and have a firearm that would "function" as it was intended.
And the "it would fire once" logic is a moot point IMHO... Accomplishing it would be difficult to say-the-least, and likely impossible in anything other than a laboratory setting.
I say "BRING IT IN", let the Red Coats "evaluate" it for compliance.
Saying that the Perun X-16 is an "AR-variant" is no different than calling the ATRS MV or AR-180B / WK-180C an "AR-variant"... It's not. They're incompatible.
You CANNOT mount an AR-15 lower to the X-16 upper, or vice-versa, and have a firearm that would "function" as it was intended.
And the "it would fire once" logic is a moot point IMHO... Accomplishing it would be difficult to say-the-least, and likely impossible in anything other than a laboratory setting.
I say "BRING IT IN", let the Red Coats "evaluate" it for compliance.
Reference to Perun, the Slavic God of Thunder and Lightnings, in old Ukrainian (and probably several other Slavic languages) lightning is "perunytsya", i.e. something made by Perun.
I think when they say "compatible" they mean trigger groups and other parts compatible. Lower doesn't look like it would fit on AR15, but this is just my impression from video.
[EDIT - rewatched first video, and yeah, that's indeed AR15 lower with chopped off back wall]
I think when they say "compatible" they mean trigger groups and other parts compatible. Lower doesn't look like it would fit on AR15, but this is just my impression from video.
[EDIT - rewatched first video, and yeah, that's indeed AR15 lower with chopped off back wall]
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It uses a modified (as in 5 min w/ a hacksaw) AR15 Lower Receiver, which is an OIC-prohibited "Firearm" in and of itself. It is not a variant of an AR15, in the eyes of Canadian Law the Lower IS an AR15. Similarly, regardless of its hybrid gas system ithe Upper Receiver is just another OIC-Prohibited Device under current Canadian Law.
Sure, just bring 1 in for RCMP Lab classification. See what kind of FRT you end up with, LOL. Giving one to the Horsecop Lab-rats would be an expensive waste of time and $$.
Unless someone can convince Tink to move the Takedown Pin locations for a unique Canadian run of the rifles, this idea is dead in the water. Based on the high price of the Tinck and the limited Canadian market, I think that such a limited production run is highly unlikely.
Sure, just bring 1 in for RCMP Lab classification. See what kind of FRT you end up with, LOL. Giving one to the Horsecop Lab-rats would be an expensive waste of time and $$.
Unless someone can convince Tink to move the Takedown Pin locations for a unique Canadian run of the rifles, this idea is dead in the water. Based on the high price of the Tinck and the limited Canadian market, I think that such a limited production run is highly unlikely.
If you weren't going to export them from Canada, could a Canadian company import the guts of the Perun and place them inside a locally produced none-AR-15 fitting chassis, and sell them within Canada without a FRT? That is, if all box-fed semi-autos are not banned of course?
Ian at Forgotten Weapons and his camera guy both shot Lynx Brutality in Slovenia with the Perun X16, which ran flawlessly. Ian was pleased, saying it "just worked" without him having to think about the rifle at all. Any chance Perun could alter the upper and lower to us AR180 pin locations?
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