Tip for new mosin shooter?

desporterizer said:
Or just fix the bayonet.
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Bcviking said:
ah i would rather my rifle not be 9 feet long lol
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desporterizer said:
Its part of the experience!:p
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RMXC51 said:
They're supposed to have the bayo fixed when in use.
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Most milsurps are suppossed to have the bayonet fixed. Also most milsurps are factory zeroed for 200-300 yards. If you don't want to do that though, I remember seeing something about smith sights. It somewhere down the thread list. They are adjustable front sights for mosins.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679793

edit: here is his website http://www.smith-sights.com/
 
Lots of good info above, but I have one more thing to add.

Get lots of stripper clips. I have 5 and wish I had 30 or 50. Makes shooting the M44 or any mosin without the scope setup so much more fun.
 
svt1940 said:
Only 1 butt pad is acceptable for a Mosin, its the steel one that came on the carbine:D
Jocelyn
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Well, almost right. The proper butt pad for a Mosin is a heavy thick wool great coat in good Russian khaki color.... :D


Warming the stock to drive out the cosmo isn't a bad idea. But instead of doing it in the family oven I'd suggest waiting until next summer. In the meantime a final wipe down with a rag soaked with a bit of mineral spirits will remove enough of the cosmo to allow you to at least hold the rifle without it slipping out of your grasp like a fresh caught fish :D

I used the last of our summer to "bake" my own stock and it was amazing how much oil came out of the wood. Keep a roll of paper towels handy and wipe the oil off frequently as it sits in a sunny place out of any breezes. After a week of this the wood had actually given up so much of the oil or cosmo that it looked a bit "starved" when it was brought inside and cooled. So I fed it with a coat of polymerized tung oil from Lee Valley. This took a good two weeks to "dry" due to the oil already in the wood. But now it both looks and feels great.

I also ran into the situation with the front sight being much too short and didn't want to have to bring along the boyonet every time :D I made a new one from a handy 2 1/2 inch finishing nail using my drill press and a fine cut file as a "lathe". The same thing could be done easily in a hand drill. The shaft was turned down very slightly and the head shaped to a cone similar to the one on the stock pin. A set of calipers being used to measure the original front sight pin and to check on shaping of the new longer pin. A spot of touch up cold blueing and a small jeweller's file at the range to trim the length and now it shoots nicely to POA at 100 yards. It'll mean that I'll need to find a notch on the rear sight for 200 but that's not a big worry for me as my old guy eyes really don't let me shoot often beyond 100 yards with iron sights anyway.
 
Oh, and to add to my post above I also opened up the rear V to more of a squared U shape. Again with my old guy eyes the shallow original V was all but impossible to see. With it opened up to more of a square bottom U shape I'm able to use the sights with fare more effectiveness. The width of the V was kept, the notch was strictly extended down and given a U shape. I used a small jeweler's square file with the two opposing faces ground off so that it only cuts on the downward face. This sort of modified file is really handy for controlled cuts such as this and I've got a variety of files which I've put such "safety edges" onto.
 
Rory McCanuck said:
I don't think putting your stock in the oven is a great idea.
A 91/30 stock is about a week and a half long, and likely
won't fit in your oven. Then there's the dripping cosmo
all over the cookies Mrs.MosinMan is baking.
A hair dryer and paper towels will work nicely.

A water-proof, well insulated glove will help cleaning all
the metal parts. Remove the bolt from the action, and the
action from the stock. Point the barrel into your tub.
Pour boiling water from your kettle
into the chamber and down the barrel.
The heat will loosen the cosmoline, and the water will wash
it out. Several kettle-fulls,and let dry, it only takes a minute,
then run some patches liberally
soaked in Ed's Red through the bore. The recipe for Ed's Red
can be found here: http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm.

Put it all back together and go shoot it. Shoot it lots.
The boiling water trick only takes a few minutes and will
also clean out all the salts from shooting corrosive surplus ammo.

Have fun!
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My dad cleaned his (now mine) by sitting it on news paper over by the wood stove. I imagine a heat register will also work, perhaps even a base board heater. Just no too close.
 
BCRider said:
Oh, and to add to my post above I also opened up the rear V to more of a squared U shape. Again with my old guy eyes the shallow original V was all but impossible to see. With it opened up to more of a square bottom U shape I'm able to use the sights with fare more effectiveness. The width of the V was kept, the notch was strictly extended down and given a U shape. I used a small jeweler's square file with the two opposing faces ground off so that it only cuts on the downward face. This sort of modified file is really handy for controlled cuts such as this and I've got a variety of files which I've put such "safety edges" onto.
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The V is actually a. Square U on a Polish M44 my dads old guy eyes see the sights very well which is why he bought it. The front post is also a square deal and a slight point may help.
Not all M-N's have the same sights or sight radius so a bit of experimentation may be required.
What year, model, arsenal is yours BC?
 
It's a '43 Izhevsk M91/30.

And has some of the roughest looking machining I've ever seen. Yet as I shoot it a bit I'm finding that it's training me to where I can hit an 8.5x11 target with all five shots at 100 yards. Again this is nothing to crow about but when you're using "old guy eyes let's just say that I'm happy enough.

I also recently got an M44 from a local shooting buddy. NOW THERE'S A KICKER ! ! ! ! It's got a "10" in an oval which the CFO registration lady told me indicated a Czech arsenal. I'm having a heck of a time trying to find an "oval 10" marking in any Mosin info sites though. So the country of origin is a bit in the air. Bonus is that my M44 was born in 1953, the same as me... :D I haven't had a chance to shoot it much so far. 7 rounds only. But that left my arm so shakey that I could not have shot it well any more than that anyway. I really need to find one of those thick wool greatcoats.... :D

You're right that the M44 has a slightly better defined rear notch than the wussy shallow V of the M91/30. But it's still not all that deep for the "old guy eyes". It's more of a shallow U shape. Sort of like a U without the straight "sides".

My left eye is a good deal sharper than the right which should help me with shooting these old war horses a lot better. But I'll need to work on shooting "lefty" with a .22 and then with my lever gun. No way I'm going to put the Mosin to my shoulder until I learn the correct posture to fully seat that iron butt plate ! ! ! ! ! :D
 
I was all ready to press the purchase button when I realized something.

Where the hell in the GTA can I shoot a Mosin nagant? most of the more common ranges like target sports dont allow steel case ammo to be used on their range. Does anyone know of a gun range on the east end that allows shooters to fire this awesome rifle? :ar15:
 
Well the majority of the cosmoline has been removed. The barrel was lined with the stuff and it took some persistence but I can see a very decent bore. Its atypical of wartime production. Not exactly a precision gun but rough and tough for sure. I could not believe how tight the bayonet was stuck on. I pulled and twisted but finally I resorted to a wood block and a mallet and after some repeated smacks it finally popped off. Now I HAVE to get a sniper version, an M44, and one with a hex receiver, and.....maybe after Christmas....
 
MosinMan said:
I was all ready to press the purchase button when I realized something.

Where the hell in the GTA can I shoot a Mosin nagant? most of the more common ranges like target sports dont allow steel case ammo to be used on their range. Does anyone know of a gun range on the east end that allows shooters to fire this awesome rifle? :ar15:
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For a range to shoot, I'd recommend Silverdale Sports Centre near Beamsville, ON. It's south of the QEW between Hamilton and St Catherines, a bit over an hour from Toronto, but a decent club.

They allow non-members to shoot for a $20 fee on Saturdays and Sundays from 9am to 5pm. If you find the place to your liking, annual memberships are reasonable.

As for your earlier posts, Tradeex is a great place to purchase from (there's a link on the top of this page), though I've also gotten one from SFRC (another sponsor) that treated me wll. I know there's others, but they're the only one's I've personally dealt with.

BTW, if you come across an M38 carbine for a decent price, I'd say pick it up. They were designed as a handy carbine for transport, artillery and engineer troops, and as such weren't designed to use a bayonet. Mine shoots pretty much to POA.
 
Thanks I actually want to try that range out at least once. But it’s almost 2 hours away from where I live. The gas alone would eliminate any economic value of shooting surplus ammo. I was wondering if there were any ranges around the Markham area. Within the 1/2 hour and an hour driving distance. Everything around me seems geared towards pistols.

Beadwindow said:
For a range to shoot, I'd recommend Silverdale Sports Centre near Beamsville, ON. It's south of the QEW between Hamilton and St Catherines, a bit over an hour from Toronto, but a decent club.

They allow non-members to shoot for a $20 fee on Saturdays and Sundays from 9am to 5pm. If you find the place to your liking, annual memberships are reasonable.

As for your earlier posts, Tradeex is a great place to purchase from (there's a link on the top of this page), though I've also gotten one from SFRC (another sponsor) that treated me wll. I know there's others, but they're the only one's I've personally dealt with.

BTW, if you come across an M38 carbine for a decent price, I'd say pick it up. They were designed as a handy carbine for transport, artillery and engineer troops, and as such weren't designed to use a bayonet. Mine shoots pretty much to POA.
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