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Are they all junk? The rifle I bought came with a set of Weaver tipoff and the original owner says they kept zero very well for the last 20 years. I'm strapped for time before my bear hunt and the irons are right on but I'd like a scope for longer shots as well. I don't have time to acquire a decent quick detachable mount. The rifle in question is 458wm. They seem good so far but I'm not sure I have faith in them
Would you trust tip off mounts? Or just go rigid and forget the irons?
 
I don't care for tipoffs myself due to problems with them in the past. The odd guy swears by them. I'm not wild about see through mounts either, but are a better option (I think).
 
I think you are referring to Weaver Pivot mounts... the rings pivot off the base. The friction points (pivot screw points and the flat behind them) should be lightly greased and the big screws just tight enough so the rings will pivot and snap into place. If the screws are too tight it causes a problem, if the are too loose it causes a problem.

I have not installed any of these for 40 years..
 
I had a set of Weaver pivot mountsand a 1-3x Weaver V-3 on a 7600 Remington in 35 Whelen for about 20 years. Upgraded
to a Leupold 1-4x VXII in super low QR mounts about 5 years ago, for no other reason than to keep Leupold's on everything.
The pivot mounts & scope will be recycled to a young hunter with a 7600 in 308.

The Weavers never gave me a minutes trouble ... and did return to zero quite reliably ... although I can only recall 2 situations
when it was snowing heavily that I had to roll the scope over to use the irons.

Guntech has it right ... the pivot screws need be kept snug ... neither tight, nor loose. Although the 458WM carries about double the
recoil of the 35 Whelen, I don't see why the mounts would cause you any concern. They are pretty robust and mount on bases that are
attached the same way as most other scopes. If the original owner didn't have any faith in them, I'm sure he would have replaced them long ago !
 
Shortly after WW2 the big push was on to sell scope sights for your rifle. Most old hunters were very skeptical about having a glass sight on their hunting rifle.
Thus, the Weaver pivot mounts and see through mounts were born, in an effort to sell telescope sights, while giving the hunter the chance to go back to his iron sights, if everything went wrong with his new fangled scope.
The see through mounts are without doubt, the worst of both worlds and little short of a concoction.
The pivot mounts if kept well adjusted, as was pointed out, can be completely satisfactory for a hunter.
 
They are in fact as gun tech described. I hate see thru mounts. The original owner said he had no problems and shot it a fair bit to stay up on trajectories of the gun.
The reason I thought I'd keep them is I lost an opportunity at a bear due to heavy rain and a scope
Thanks for info. I'll try them out when my scope gets here
 
The trick to them is to use them when absolutely necessary.
Don't fruck with them or play with them.
There's a couple sets here I do use and no issues.
 
The very first rifle I purchased on my own back in the mid-70's,Win. M70 30-06, still wears a Weaver K4 in Weaver Pivot mounts and I have had no issues with the setup to speak of.Keep everything nice and snug,not super tight,and you should have no problems,at least that has been my experience.
 
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H4831 said:
Shortly after WW2 the big push was on to sell scope sights for your rifle. Most old hunters were very skeptical about having a glass sight on their hunting rifle.
Thus, the Weaver pivot mounts and see through mounts were born, in an effort to sell telescope sights, while giving the hunter the chance to go back to his iron sights, if everything went wrong with his new fangled scope.
The see through mounts are without doubt, the worst of both worlds and little short of a concoction.
The pivot mounts if kept well adjusted, as was pointed out, can be completely satisfactory for a hunter.
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:agree: Nothin' else to add here except....Tip Off mounts are the narrow 3/8" dovetail type most commonly used
on many rimfires & air guns. I use a Weaver TO-1 base and tip-off rings on my .32-40 Lee Enfield squirrel bomber with fine results (It don't recoil enough to jar the rings.) but a .458 would sure budge 'em.
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I think the OP is referring to the original Weaver rings. If so, there is not a thing wrong with them in my opinion other than their propensity to rotate the scope when tightened. The roll over rings worked good as well. The " tip off" Weaver ring is the 3/8 dovetail one with no recoil lug and is useless on a .303 let alone a .458.
 
See thru mounts are very dangerous on any rifle and even more so on a 458.

For example, you are in your tree stand and hear a noise behind you. A huge moose is only a few feet from your tree. Your scope does not work so close, so you peek under it and have a clear sight with the irons. Your wait for the right moment and then BANG!

At this time you have no idea as to where the scope is in relation to your head. The scope can drive into your skull and knock you out of the tree.

Don't ask me how I know this, but read below.....
 
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