To all you Bubba haters

Paladin308 said:
To me, a gun is bubbaed up when someone makes an absolute hack job of it. Tasteful and/or practical modifications that are well done don't really deserve the label unless you happened to do them to a real collectors piece. And to the snobs out there. your 91/30 isn't a collectors piece. If you like it original, more power to you. Just don't expect it to skyrocket in value, everyone's expecting that and that's precisely why it wont.
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There are probably as many Lee Enfields scattered across the globe as 91/30's, but as a result of modification, original condition Enfields are now scarce. I am not inclined to believe that people have learned this lesson from history, and a 91/30 kept mint will in a hundred years be scarce and expensive. If man has finally learned one lesson from history, then your proposition will be entirely correct, so why would anyone bother keeping theirs original. ;) It's a Catch 22.

I don't desire to impose my will on anothers use and enjoyment of their property, but {ugh} some modifications are sacreligious. I guess if I put immense value on that belief, I should buy all the stock condition military rifles with complete disregard for my well being and financial situation. Just my surmising: Not trying to :stirthepot2:
 
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OP, those that use "bubba" are likely authoritarian control freaks that have difficulty dealing with a world that isn't precisely what they think it should be. Do what you want with your own stuff and pay them no attention.
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Here! Here! OCD rules the day with these folks. There Elitist, Smarmy and Arrogant remarks on this forum usually earns them the ignore button ;)
 
New Camper said:
There are probably as many Lee Enfields scattered across the globe as 91/30's, but as a result of modification, original condition Enfields are now scarce. I am not inclined to believe that people have learned this lesson from history, and a 91/30 kept mint will in a hundred years be scarce and expensive. If man has finally learned one lesson from history, then your proposition will be entirely correct, so why would anyone bother keeping theirs original. ;) It's a Catch 22.

I don't desire to impose my will on anothers use and enjoyment of their property, but {ugh} some modifications are sacreligious. I guess if I put immense value on that belief, I should buy all the stock condition military rifles with complete disregard for my well being and financial situation. Just my surmising: Not trying to :stirthepot2:
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Personally, I have quite a bit of respect for the Mosin and the 7.62x54R, and I think we should keep some examples of the type for historical preservation, as with any other such weapon. On the other hand, there's butt-loads of them out there, so it's no great loss if a few of them are modified or used hard, 'cause history is happening now too ya know ;)
 
So now anyone who says anything derogatory about a bubba is unpatriotic? I guess I'll cut something up tonight to honour our veterans.
 
Damn you bubba! Why oh why did you think a .35 Whelen would be a good use of a 1909 Argentine action???













And why on earth would you do this to a Swedish Rolling Block!?!!?



 
Paladin308 said:
T And to the snobs out there. your 91/30 isn't a collectors piece. If you like it original, more power to you. Just don't expect it to skyrocket in value, everyone's expecting that and that's precisely why it wont.
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Really? Why not? Too common? Won't be for long with the current rate of attrition due to corrosive ammo & dingbats with a drill and hacksaws.
 
Paladin308 said:
To me, a gun is bubbaed up when someone makes an absolute hack job of it. Tasteful and/or practical modifications that are well done don't really deserve the label unless you happened to do them to a real collectors piece. And to the snobs out there. your 91/30 isn't a collectors piece. If you like it original, more power to you. Just don't expect it to skyrocket in value, everyone's expecting that and that's precisely why it wont.
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well i think the 91/30 needs some respect no matter how much they are worth there is most likely not one that has not seen some combat
 
as far as im concerned i think military rifles should be left the way they were made, all the men and women who fought for us to have the RIGHT to own these amazing pieces of history,

Myself personally i will never cut down, grind, or do anything to harm them in any way, tinman204 put it very clearly, that moment that you pick up that no4mk1 put it to your shoulder and look through the sights like your looking into a window of the past, knowing that some boy non the less held that gun to his shoulder and was fighting for his life and for our freedom, its out of respect for our veterans that i will never "bubba" a rifle, IMHO any rifle that has been sported is a bubba, wether it was some redneck that didnt like the full wood or some rich guy who spent hundreds of dollars to make it a hunting rifle, wanna spend hundreds of dollars on a gun go to cabelas and but a rifle that was designed for hunting dont ruin our pieces of history that are few and far inbetween because some "bubba" decided that he or she doesnt have enough respect for what those men and women and what those rifles did and how the have affected us today

I was told a story of a guy who walked into cabelas with a springfield, and wanted a scope mounted on it, the guy at cabelas told him he was the stupidest gun in the world, why ruin a peice of history?

when you build up that 1969 dodge charger your not dropping fuel injected engine, nice 440 with a big carb on it, big blower, you try to keep stuff original, why hack them up?

if you want to bubba a rifle, go for it, but leave our milsurps alone
 
To all you Bubba hater haters:
Welcome to the milsurp section.
You won't find many Bubba'd rifles in a museum, because they're interested in the rifles as they were. And that's why we have a milsurp section, for people to talk all that history. Sure a cut down and sportered rifle can be beautiful. But then it fits more into the hunting rifles section. Do what you want with your money, but then it isn't in original condition, and won't be looked on fondly by those who like original condition items.

What prompted this thread? Someone grumpy giving you flack at the range?
 
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Glad you like your P14.

Military rifles have been sporterized as long as there have been military rifles.

Everyone knows that these rifles were once as common as dirt most of them and like everything common from coins to passenger pigeons, their commonness made them less valuable or desirable.

We all know that back in those days they were sporterized because they were cheap, reliable, available and cheap, just like the ammo.

So far as I know, no one calls a Rigby Mauser or a Parker Hale Supreme a "Bubba" job.

What most collectors and those with an appreciation of history object to is those who would modify such rifles NOW or in the recent past, many years after they ceased to be common or cheap.

Of course, sporterized rifles don't come with labels telling us they were cut down by a veteran in the 1940s to feed his new family etc. etc. All we see is a hacked up rifle, and that's all most of them are.

Where the workmanship is good, unless the rifle is a rare or expensive type, most collectors have the sense to see it for what it is, and to remember that very few people knew what the rare variants were back then.

Bubba is a fact of life: sometimes he pinstripes a Shelby, tears out the interior and lines it with shag carpet. Sometimes he strips the finish off his Canadiana maple sideboard and varnishes it. Sometimes he takes the Twinkle to the family coin collection. And sometimes he hacks up fine old guns. Bubba is both stupid and industrious, a type even more dangerous than the stupid and lazy! But we recognize that not everyone who crudely or roughly modified an old rifle is a "Bubba".
 
Hey, it wasn't to long ago, that a Major's Garand Sniper showed up in my area. Oh YEAH, BUBBA pulled out the biggest bloody stick welder he could find and welded a hunk of Angle Iron to the side of the Garand, then using nuts and bolts, anchored the Weaver mount to the Angle Iron and dropped a scope on top of it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I wish I had a picture of it, some one please club Bubba and make him STOP!
 
Goo98 said:
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Best Bubba ever.!!
"If I'd a know this was going to be the last time me and Bubba was gonna talk, I'd a thought of somethin betta to say.
"Hey Bubba".
"Hey Forest".
Forest, Why did this happen?"
"Ya got shot".

War is hell, lest we forget.
 
mcpherson284 said:
Hey, it wasn't to long ago, that a Major's Garand Sniper showed up in my area. Oh YEAH, BUBBA pulled out the biggest bloody stick welder he could find and welded a hunk of Angle Iron to the side of the Garand, then using nuts and bolts, anchored the Weaver mount to the Angle Iron and dropped a scope on top of it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I wish I had a picture of it, some one please club Bubba and make him STOP!
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Dear God, no.
 
Paladin308 said:
Personally, I have quite a bit of respect for the Mosin and the 7.62x54R, and I think we should keep some examples of the type for historical preservation, as with any other such weapon. On the other hand, there's butt-loads of them out there, so it's no great loss if a few of them are modified or used hard, 'cause history is happening now too ya know ;)
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Yes, history is happening every second gone by. Seldom does man learn that, and so is destined to repeat the same mistakes - ruining rare military rifles in this thing called life is a small issue in comparison to these other lessons not learned. I still wouldn't, nor do I like to see the destruction of a military rifle as there are other ways to use them and modify, without destroying. Many fine civilian rifles were surplus: Rigby rifles were originally built on Mauser actions. Another example could be if I couldn't afford a civilian target rifle, a Mosin could be fitted with a new heavy barrel, and homemade target stock (not sure about scope mounting...) and such a process could yield a rifle as accurate as a Sako TRG for half the cost. Should Mosins become a rare item, the original stock and barrel can be reinstalled on the receiver. That's my thinking anyway, I still value liberty over how objects are treated: The gun is a tool made to secure liberty.
 
I find this thread a bit confusing. Isn’t this the milsurp forum? Isn’t this the place where collectors come to share information or ask questions about Milsurp rifles? Now just because I like original examples of service rifles ( among many others) I’m an elitist snob? I’m now waiting for the hoarder comments. Quite frankly I don’t have an issue with someone cutting down their rifle. The big question in this day and age is why? I can walk into Wholesale Sports and get a modern rifle in an almost unlimited number of calibers, with a warranty for less than half of what it would cost me to build a rifle out of a surplus action. I have sporterized rifles in my collection because it represents what was done back in the day to put these war babies to a useful post war use. It’s all part of the rifles history.
If you want to take your collectable surplus service rifle and modify it to suit your tastes fly at’er. It only makes my rifles more valuable. Just don’t come to me later asking full collector price plus the cost of your mods. Maybe we need a sticky post entitled “My service rifle wasn’t good enough the way it was so this is what I did to it” Or “How to cut the value of your Surplus rifle by Half”.
To the PO: Nice looking sporter. How does it shoot? Taken anything with it?
 
mcpherson284 said:
Hey, it wasn't to long ago, that a Major's Garand Sniper showed up in my area. Oh YEAH, BUBBA pulled out the biggest bloody stick welder he could find and welded a hunk of Angle Iron to the side of the Garand, then using nuts and bolts, anchored the Weaver mount to the Angle Iron and dropped a scope on top of it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I wish I had a picture of it, some one please club Bubba and make him STOP!
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Actually the Danes modified some of their Garands to take an IR sight by welding a couple of brackets to the side of the receiver. Nasty looking, but effective to satisfy their requirements. AFAIK this was only done to their Italian made Breda and Beretta rifles.
 
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