To buy a Norinco 1911 or Para G.I. Expert at over twice the price ?

I own a Norinco, well, until recently. I am not a competition shooter, just a range blaster with decent accuracy. I am not really into gun modding, nor do I buy solely due to budgeting. if I want something, I buy it. I also have a Kimber Gold matchII stainless. The buddy I shoot with most often had a Para, and 2 others at the range I frequent have Paras. My buddy's to the best of my knowledge is pristine, no mods, the others have all been to professional gunsmiths for triggers, throating, polishing and slide lightening. The Paras all had feed or eject issues. my buddy's pristine one had really bad feed issues and 2 blowouts. in both cases the bottom of the case ruptured just above the rim, blew backwards into the magwell and destroyed the magazine. Some people love Paras, I have only seen ones with problems, but all were bought used. Some great guns get sold, ALL crap guns get sold. A gun with feed issues right out of the box, should go right back in and back to the store.

On the Norinco, I bought the 350 dollar off the shelf version and did absolutely no mods to it. Mine seemed to be a short run model made in 2012 with adjustable sights, skeletonized trigger, ambidex safety and oversized mag release. it was visually rough, but mechanically sound. I put a few hundred rounds through it and was amazed at the accuracy and feel of the gun. I enjoyed shooting it more than my Kimber, only because I could put holes in the same groups, and didn't care if the Norinco got rained or snowed on or dropped in a mud puddle. Again, visually the gun was rough, needed a vigorous cleaning out of the box due to the thick grease-like oil they ship them in, and WILL RUST QUICKLY if put away damp. For a cheap range gun, or a training pistol, you cannot beat it. My only issue was with the adjustable sights. the adjustment screw stripped itself with the recoil of the gun after about 200 rounds and it was going to cost me 200 bucks for a smith to fix it. I tried for months to get a replacement rear sight under warranty, gave up and gave it to my range buddy who does a lot of new member training.

lastly, my Kimber. yep, close to $2000. it is what it is. Pretty, accurate, precise, smooth and elegant. A single purchase I will own until I drop dead. My only regret is that it is a single stack, but in truth, it is so pretty to look at I couldn't bring myself to put it in a holster for the little competitions we do at our club. I'll use my CZs for that.

if your local gun shop will let you, grab a Norinco and field strip it. Give your fingers a chance stop tingling. Now take a Kimber apart, you will see my point. Even using a Norinco in a competition, is rough on the thumbs. The safeties and mag release buttons are all rough edged. Some people enjoy taking sandpaper to their new guns. Id rather pay someone else to do it at the factory. Chocolate and Vanilla.
 
* there are NO stainless steel Norincos ...Narconia models had a nickel finish (not stainless steel)
Narconia was a small batch made for Germany and was rejected because the poor nickel finish that let to rust under grips and grips front strap.
I've seen myself at least 3 Norconia guns with deep rust pitting and flaking the nickel finish !

Interesting, I did not know this...
 
Well I think that I am leaning towards getting a Norinco 1911 with the ammo special because it is a great deal. Too bad norinco did not make a tactical 1911 with a rail, because that's what I would get. I realize the norinco is no beauty queen, but by the sounds of how they shoot, they are not safe queens either. I heard you can actually make a Norinco 1911 look really nice by polishing it, which makes it look like a nice stainless gun when all done. I did see a pic of a polished norinco before, and although I don't know exactly the procedure and what type of finish you put on it to prevent rusting after its polished, but damn....it looked like a $1000 stainless 1911...its something that I may look into doing if I do get the norinco.

Since it seems like a love it or hate it attitude with both the norinco and the para, I would rather risk only $350 for the gun instead as a para that's twice the price, which seems hit or miss if its a turd.
 
While its virtually impossible not to buy stuff made in China on a daily basis, I've made a personal effort not to buy Chinese guns.
Besides a personal choice not to support Commie regimes, I simply dont equate made in China with "quality product", and I'm not willing to risk my life on a gun made in a country with a well-known disregard for quality or safety. (that goes for car tires made in china too..)

If you have no issues with chinese made guns, then, yes, they do fit your criteria for an inexpensive gun.
I bust my guts laughing at crap like this from some twit from the burbs of TO talking about life and depending on gun to protect it when you "hear" a raccoon getting into a green bin... Have you even fired a real "commie" quality product? If your scared..go to church
 
Buddy had a Para GI and it got sent back for repairs twice. It was about to go back a 3rd time and he just asked for his money back and stepped it up to a Spartan. Para's quality went down the toilet. I have a bone stock Norc Commander and it shoots great. Chinese guns are great fun for the money.
 
Even using a Norinco in a competition, is rough on the thumbs. The safeties and mag release buttons are all rough edged.

Have used them several times in IPSC, and I have no idea what you're referring to. Mine are not rough at all, and I have never worked on them.
 
I bust my guts laughing at crap like this from some twit from the burbs of TO talking about life and depending on gun to protect it when you "hear" a raccoon getting into a green bin... Have you even fired a real "commie" quality product? If your scared..go to church

Since when did thread this become an attack on me? I'm a twit to you?
1. I dont live in the burbs. And why the attack on T.O? If I lived in the sticks like Halifax, I'm sure the raccooon in my green bin would be considered a delicacy.
2. risking my life was a reference to the quality of chinese made goods.
3. I was born and raised in a commie country, forced to serve in the army, and have fired way more commie products than you'll ever see in your life.
4. I was not allowed to go to church, the commies either burned them down or locked them up. Our local church was turned into a garbage dump. I do however, thank God everyday for countries like Canada that allow freedom to worship.

So, before you go shooting off your mouth with posts that add zero to the content value of this thread, you might want to think twice before you hit <enter>
 
Since when did thread this become an attack on me? I'm a twit to you?
1. I dont live in the burbs. And why the attack on T.O? If I lived in the sticks like Halifax, I'm sure the raccooon in my green bin would be considered a delicacy.
2. risking my life was a reference to the quality of chinese made goods.
3. I was born and raised in a commie country, forced to serve in the army, and have fired way more commie products than you'll ever see in your life.
4. I was not allowed to go to church, the commies either burned them down or locked them up. Our local church was turned into a garbage dump. I do however, thank God everyday for countries like Canada that allow freedom to worship.


So, before you go shooting off your mouth with posts that add zero to the content value of this thread, you might want to think twice before you hit <enter>

Game, set, match....
 
meh, I have both a Norc and a Para 1911. I have absolutely 0 issues with the Para. It's a dream to shoot. The Norc, for the $299 I paid for it, plus the Norc Tuning Gunnar did on it for $100 extra, I'd say go for the Norc. Spend the difference on .45 ammo.

its true Norc's are not as refined, BUT, for $100 you can get a well-tuned gun that will last a long time and shoot consistently. As you say, you don't care about looks so, there's your answer.
 
I sent him a pistol and it was a total $hitshow. It came back in worse condition than when I sent it. He 'repaired' it using a homemade hillbilly part (a section of Allen key as a retaining pin) instead of a real pin. Except I couldn't field strip the gun. He knew about it and said nothing...probably hoping I wouldn't try to disassemble the gun when it came back.

As for a trigger job, give it to Rodger Kotanko at the Burlington Club. He does a nice job and it cost about $50.
 
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