To buy air pistols or not to buy hmmm

Westcoastbro said:
"Air guns that are replica firearms
These are air guns not powerful enough to cause serious injury or death, but designed to resemble a real firearm with near precision. Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are classified as prohibited devices.

In particular, some air guns commonly known as air soft guns may fall into this category. These are devices that have a low muzzle velocity and muzzle energy, and that usually discharge projectiles made out of a substance such as plastic or wax rather than metal.

An airsoft gun, firing a .20g 6mm plastic pellet with a muzzle velocity below 111.6 m/s (366 fps), and resembling with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, other than an antique firearm, is a replica firearm and therefore a prohibited device.

Although replica firearms are prohibited, individuals may keep those they owned on December 1, 1998. You don't need a licence to possess them, and they do not need to be registered. However, you cannot import or acquire a replica firearm. If you take a replica firearm out of Canada, it will not be allowed back in.

The Criminal Code sets out penalties for using a replica firearm or any other imitation firearm to commit a crime.

The CFP receives many enquiries from people wondering whether a low-powered air gun would be considered a replica if it resembles a real firearm in terms of its shape, but it is made of clear or brightly coloured plastic, or has significant dimensional differences. Many of these devices need to be assessed on a case-by case basis. As a general rule, however, devices significantly smaller or larger than the real version are not classified as replica firearms."
source: https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/specific-types-firearms
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That isn't the information we are looking for. It's about airsoft, not pellet guns. Pellet guns carry more energy and fall under an exemption. Otherwise, you wouldn't see Cabelas selling all the different replicas of Glocks and Sigs.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
That isn't the information we are looking for. It's about airsoft, not pellet guns. Pellet guns carry more energy and fall under an exemption. Otherwise, you wouldn't see Cabelas selling all the different replicas of Glocks and Sigs.
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But isn't that the real crazy part of it? They call airsoft hand guns (which could not hurt a fly), that are replica prohibited, but the stronger bb and pellet gun that could "take an eye out" ok to sell and use with no prohibition or restriction. I could legally take my CO2 bb gun pistols out in the back yard today and plink away (but I wouldn't simply because they are so close in looks it would get a call to the police pretty quick i am sure) .

I bought the replica bb gun for every pistol I bought and when i lay them side by side I would challenge anyone from 20 ft away to tell me which one is the real one. The UMAREX Glock 17 and 19 are incredibly close in both looks but weight and feel and you can buy them still today.

I dont wish for them to be restricted in any way but the airsoft prohibition makes no sense at all to me.
 
Gindryden said:
But isn't that the real crazy part of it? They call airsoft hand guns (which could not hurt a fly), that are replica prohibited, but the stronger bb and pellet gun that could "take an eye out" ok to sell and use with no prohibition or restriction. I could legally take my CO2 bb gun pistols out in the back yard today and plink away (but I wouldn't simply because they are so close in looks it would get a call to the police pretty quick i am sure) .

I bought the replica bb gun for every pistol I bought and when i lay them side by side I would challenge anyone from 20 ft away to tell me which one is the real one. The UMAREX Glock 17 and 19 are incredibly close in both looks but weight and feel and you can buy them still today.

I dont wish for them to be restricted in any way but the airsoft prohibition makes no sense at all to me.
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SO I have been digging for hours on this. I dont see anything in the Criminal code nor the firearms act to support this claim on the RCMP website. I just read through Bill C-21 and it does mention any replica device to be prohibited, but this was removed at the second reading, Royal assent version also does not show it so it looks like it has been thrown out. I may reach out to RCMP for clarification as It is false information to post this.
 
I have an Umarex M&P 40 that looks so much like my real M&P 40 that I can only tell the difference by looking down the barrel or trying to remove the magazine. They did an outstanding job in copying it.
 
Westcoastbro said:
SO I have been digging for hours on this. I dont see anything in the Criminal code nor the firearms act to support this claim on the RCMP website. I just read through Bill C-21 and it does mention any replica device to be prohibited, but this was removed at the second reading, Royal assent version also does not show it so it looks like it has been thrown out. I may reach out to RCMP for clarification as It is false information to post this.
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Not that I expect a prompt reply, but I sent an email to the RCMP firearms department asking about this, and requesting references to the sections of the relevant legislation.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Not that I expect a prompt reply, but I sent an email to the RCMP firearms department asking about this, and requesting references to the sections of the relevant legislation.
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Westcoastbro said:
SO I have been digging for hours on this. I dont see anything in the Criminal code nor the firearms act to support this claim on the RCMP website. I just read through Bill C-21 and it does mention any replica device to be prohibited, but this was removed at the second reading, Royal assent version also does not show it so it looks like it has been thrown out. I may reach out to RCMP for clarification as It is false information to post this.
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Thanks. If you actually get a reply that makes some sense a reply post here would be appreciated.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
Not that I expect a prompt reply, but I sent an email to the RCMP firearms department asking about this, and requesting references to the sections of the relevant legislation.
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Thanks. I will also send them an email as well for clarification. Sounds like someone jumped the “gun” so to speak on c-21. Wouldnt be the first time they published an error.
 
yknow theres a real simple way of finding out if something is legal or not, right?


Does a major chain brand of a store like Canadian Tire or Walmart sell it? Then yeah, it's legal.
 
Gindryden said:
We know they are legal, what we want is an explanation behind the current text on the RCMP site that says certain ones are prohibited for sale but can be used.
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As long as they're powered under 500FPS,they're not considered a firearm. Over that,they're regarded the same as any other firearm. There's new products coming on stream that are as powerful as regular center fires.
 
Too me it is not a replica if it actually functions as an air pistol or a BB gun. A replica would be a non functioning close copy of an actual firearm. The first is used as an air pistol or BB gun. The second is used by wantabee gansters (losers) carrying it around and pointing it at people...
 
Trimmer 905 said:
As long as they're powered under 500FPS,they're not considered a firearm. Over that,they're regarded the same as any other firearm. There's new products coming on stream that are as powerful as regular center fires.
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We know all that, it is the prohibited replicas that are the concern. It seems to apply to airsofts but not to pellet/bb

guntech said:
Too me it is not a replica if it actually functions as an air pistol or a BB gun. A replica would be a non functioning close copy of an actual firearm. The first is used as an air pistol or BB gun. The second is used by wantabee gansters (losers) carrying it around and pointing it at people...
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But the description on the RCMP sight noting prohibition specifically points to air powered guns that are a close replica to a real gun. This is why we are looking for a confirmation from the authorities. Everyone has an opinion but no one can explain the discrepancy.
 
If it was a non functional thing, aka a paperweight, then it would be prohibited. Yes Canadian law is that daft, if it did nothing other than just sit there looking like something then its function can only be to replicate that thing.

The bb/pellet pistol is not a replica because it is a bb/pellet pistol. It can look like a Glock or Mr Spock's hand Phaser so long as it actual function is not illegal in Canada, which in this case is to spit out pellets at under 500fps. No RCMP interpretation is needed.
 
The older Japanese model guns that didn't fire anything but could cycle dummy rounds with caps or manual could be field stripped similar to the real thing....hence the term "model gun". As far as airsoft, pellet/bb that do shoot something and replicate the real world gun on the outer skin.... when in the hand pointing at you what's the difference?
 
tried them all cheap junk
till got Hammerli AP20 PRO
and never looked back
mounted in the vise it can shoot one hole from 10 meters from 10 shoots
the rest depends on a shooter
and it will hold a resale value as well
 
dr.fire said:
tried them all cheap junk
till got Hammerli AP20 PRO
and never looked back
mounted in the vise it can shoot one hole from 10 meters from 10 shoots
the rest depends on a shooter
and it will hold a resale value as well
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$2500.00 for a "Air Pistol" ?.... Not looking to shoot in the Olympics....Sorry...got a lotta other things I'd rather spend that kinda coin on. But then....to each their own
 
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