To Orange or not to orange?

catnthehatt said:
In Alberta we don't have to wear orange, of course, because it was thrown out after the Government realizing it was a law that only pertained to hunters, not everyone else in the bush.
Cat
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So it was thrown out by the bureaucrats & lawyers?:eek: What's this 'democratic' world coming to? I was under the impression that it had been field tested for several years by scientists in conjuction with hunter's peripheral vision acuteness & central nervous system response times under a plethora of simulated conditions involving clothing shades, ambient light, & forested density/conditions.
 
PeakXV said:
So it was thrown out by the bureaucrats & lawyers?:eek: What's this 'democratic' world coming to? I was under the impression that it had been field tested for several years by scientists in conjuction with hunter's peripheral vision acuteness & central nervous system response times under a plethora of simulated conditions involving clothing shades, ambient light, & forested density/conditions.
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Uh, NOPE!!:D I WISH that the laws were made the way you describe, but we all know that once the politicians get hold of something, it all goes out the window! Just lookat what Rock was able to do!:mad:
However, thanks for the chuckle!:p
Cat
 
I would love to see some statistics that show how much safer blaze is.

Personally I think it(mandatory orange) encourages lazy ####tards to be even lazier when time comes to identify their target. To quote one "hunter" I met from Ontario:

"If it ain't in blaze I blaze!"
 
Timberlord said:
Oh yes it has
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If it has been proven to universally save lives/reduce injuries then there must be some data available for it. Can you show us that please?

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Woodsman said:
I don't know how to convince the unconvincable. Seems logical that if you can see clearly blaze orange for miles around, that you wouldn't get shot at (unless it was on purpose, of course! Any enemies?).
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SO nobody wearing blaze has EVER been shot at?

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Some 20 to 30 years ago, we too didn`t want to wear orange when they introduced the law. We thought it would scare game. Still even then we use to wear blaze orange hats so we could see each other in the forest and not shoot in each others direction. The hats alone were extemely usefull when two or more went off together treking for rabbits and partridge. It avoided some real ugly situations.
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When I go into the forest with a friend or 2,the way we prevent shooting at each other is to positively ID any targets we intend to shoot at. This avoids ugly situations!:p

Any how, enough said
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Well, you have said your opinion, but haven't shown us any facts regarding blaze preventing injuries/death. It's easy to come up with pages and pages of seatbelt studies that show how they are beneficial.
 
Gatehouse said:
If it has been proven to universally save lives/reduce injuries then there must be some data available for it. Can you show us that please?

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SO nobody wearing blaze has EVER been shot at?



When I go into the forest with a friend or 2,the way we prevent shooting at each other is to positively ID any targets we intend to shoot at. This avoids ugly situations!:p



Well, you have said your opinion, but haven't shown us any facts regarding blaze preventing injuries/death. It's easy to come up with pages and pages of seatbelt studies that show how they are beneficial.
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Where are your facts and supportive documentation? This is a discussion we are having? No? I find you reasoning of that of a person which is just being argumentative and illogical at best. If you cannot capture the notion of wearing a colour that quickly identifies you as none game material as being of value to saving your life in the presence of others in pursuit of game, then you must also believe that everyone you meet out in the bush is ethical, controlled, and unerring in there pursuit of game (therefore no dimwits, drunks, half blind coke-bottled glasses wearers, poachers, buck fevered newbies and oldies, etc.).

In other words, maybe just a tad naive. Of course, I really don't think you are. So, maybe you just like to stick to an idea no matter how ridiculous it is, just to entertain yourself and not admit to the obvious?

Go ahead disect each and every line I have written here. ( Are we back at that again?:p)


Oh and here: (Google is your friend)

h ttp://www.hunter-ed.com/id/id_info/wearing_orange.htm
 
Timberlord said:
Mr Gatehouse
I don't have any documentation ...or do I need any.
What I do have is nearly 40yrs of experience.
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I know od several people in the last en years wwere killed in Alberta, one that come to mind were a father and son on a quad - apatantly, by an "experienced woodsman" from 100 yards "through the bush"?:confused:
Theother was dressing an animal out, and another was sitting on a stump on a cutline during sprin bear season.

I've hunted and guided for over 40 years myself, and although orange may be able to be seen easier, it does not make it safer when idjits are involved.....
Cat
 
catnthehatt said:
What I can't understand is the fact that some provinces demand that hunters wear orange, but anybody else in the bush does not have to!:confused:
We wear orange when upland hunting because there is always a chance of cross fire when swinging on a bird, and an orange is very easily seen out of the corner of your eye in that instance, or someone across a hedgerow.

In Alberta we don't have to wear orange, of course, because it was thrown out after the Government realizing it was a law that only pertained to hunters, not everyone else in the bush.
After Alberta got rid of their orange law, incidents involving shooting have not gone up, but people still get shot because of poor firearms handling....
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no need to wear orange, I wear what is comfortable and keeps me warm. I do have an orange touque that I wear when its cold, but when its warmer I justs wear my baseball cap. Sometimes I wear a red flannel shirt, red and black checker, not really high vis, but it keeps me warm and comfortable.

I am assuming that the other hunters around me are responsible hunters and I hunt in areas where there are few hunters, better chance of me seeing game if I'm the only one in the area. Mine all mine :D

I don't care what the laws are in Ontario, and have had enough bad laws forced on me from people who 'know better' and are 'experts'. But then if orange is responsible for saving hunters from shooting each other why was there not a spike in hunter related shootings when we stopped wearing orange and red here in Alberta. :D


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Perhaps we're just better more ethical hunters :D

this should be fun
 
Let’s see……

It’s highly visible to other armed individuals (hunters) under all weather and light conditions.

Ungulates can’t distinguish it from any other colour.

Hmmmm…that’s a tough decision. :confused::)

Ron
 
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IMHO...You are either required by law to wear it, or you are not...then it's your choice.

It's like asking someone if the Q-RAY bracelet really works. ;)

Decide for yourself. Simple. :)
 
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Woodsman said:
Where are your facts and supportive documentation? This is a discussion we are having?
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You want to read studys on seatbelts?

No? I find you reasoning of that of a person which is just being argumentative and illogical at best.
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And I find your reasoning that of a sheep, who just blindly follows what they have been told, rather than question the actual facts. To me, it is illogical to believe in a concept that is not really proven. And blaze orange isn't proven, as far as anyone can demonstrate.


In other words, maybe just a tad naive. Of course, I really don't think you are. So, maybe you just like to stick to an idea no matter how ridiculous it is, just to entertain yourself and not admit to the obvious?

Go ahead disect each and every line I have written here. ( Are we back at that again?:p)
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Not naive, just not convinced blaze orange has accomplished anything that hunter education and emphasis on id'ing your target has not.

If Blaze was so necessary, why aren't BC hunters killing each other? Some areas in BC are thick with hunters, so it's not just "wide open space"



Oh and here: (Google is your friend)

h ttp://www.hunter-ed.com/id/id_info/wearing_orange.htm
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Tha'ts not much help...It just says that "a study was done"

In a study done from 1992 through 2001 in New York State, about 120,000 big game hunters did not wear Hunter (or Blaze) Orange during the regular firearms seasons for deer and bear. Of these, 18 hunters were mistaken for big game and killed. During the same time period of the study, approximately 580,000 hunters did wear Hunter Orange, and none were mistaken for big game and killed.


Sure, the idea of wearing orange seems like it may be safer, but except in some rare circumstances, it probably doens't make a difference. Emphasis on firearms safety and target identification is far more important than wardrobe.
 
Timberlord said:
Mr Gatehouse
I don't have any documentation ...or do I need any.
What I do have is nearly 40yrs of experience.
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Okay, all we need to do is quote experiences, that is great.:)

I'm 41 and started actively spending time in the bush when I was about 7 or 8. So I've got only 34 hunting seasons of spending time in the bush in BC...And although there is something open in BC about 11 months of the year, the majority of hunting is done in about 6 months of the year, so 204 months experience.

And we have differing opinions, so based on experience, who is correct?:p
 
I suppose it's a bit like a seatbelt - a useless tool & will never save your life .... until that unthinkable situation/scenario/accident happens to you.

Likewise hunter orange is agreeably unnecessary in 99.9% of the hunting scenarios that most of us will encounter in a lifetime .... however an example & exception being that you unluckily & unknowingly find yourself positioned from the distant perspective & trajectory of another hunter, just over the shoulder of a buck as he steps out 180 degrees behind you - 5 minutes before the end of legal hunting time. Given that scenario - it's impossible to believe that anybody would not opt for anything less noticeable than hunter orange clothing.
 
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PeakXV said:
I suppose it's a bit like a seatbelt - a useless tool & will never save your life .... until that unthinkable situation/scenario/accident happens to you.
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Agree!! .... & I don't mind wearing it either, cuz I don't trust the other guy.

On a related side note, you see more and more hi-viz clothing EVERYWHERE now on worksites. Maybe it's just a useless requirement or the newest in fashion for the constuction site. :rolleyes:

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Gatehouse said:
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Tha'ts not much help...It just says that "a study was done"

In a study done from 1992 through 2001 in New York State, about 120,000 big game hunters did not wear Hunter (or Blaze) Orange during the regular firearms seasons for deer and bear. Of these, 18 hunters were mistaken for big game and killed. During the same time period of the study, approximately 580,000 hunters did wear Hunter Orange, and none were mistaken for big game and killed.
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Are you kidding me? What do you need the dead bodies lying before you to believe? 18 hunters killed!

I've been hunting too since I could hold a gun (40 + years) and my experience says orange makes you visible to others and avoids accidents.

You think I'm a sheep because I disagree with you? Wow! I'd like to call you something right now, but I have more class than you!

You're like the lone soldier out of step and his mother who is observing says "look, my son is the only one in step".
 
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