To Scope or not to Scope

All my .22s have 3x9x or better scopes. Sure 4x (used a few ) will do for the 50 yard shots but beyond that the target is small and misses and wounding can happen a lot more. A good clean killing shot should always come foremost in a shooters conscience. even the pests deserve that.
 
4x is not enough magnification. The .22 rimfire is capable of much longer ranges than most shooters believe. Something in the 9-12x range will allow you to stretch your shooting range much further and increase accuracy while doing it.

We routinely shoot out to 150 - 200 yds with our rimfires and are using 3-9x Tasco Mil Dot scopes with added target turrets.

All my .22s have 3x9x or better scopes. Sure 4x (used a few ) will do for the 50 yard shots but beyond that the target is small and misses and wounding can happen a lot more. A good clean killing shot should always come foremost in a shooters conscience. even the pests deserve that.

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IMO the optics of a high quality 4x scope outweigh a higher magnification but cheap scope. I've shot minute of angle groups (at 100 yards) with a .270 and an old Japanese Bushnell Banner scope at dusk, so I'm not sure that much more magnification is needed given a good reticle and clear, fully multicoated optics. IIRC, NRA bullseye shooters group 3" at 50 yards offhand with pistols and non-magnifying dot sights, even when they have the choice of a scope.

For things that don't involve sandbags and target ammo, a smaller, lightweight, fully multicoated scope will have much better light gathering for a clearer sight picture. It will also be mounted lower to the bore axis for better precision at short ranges, and a better cheek weld with factory stocks. For the money, better a compact high-end 4x28mm than a heavy, ungainly, complicated cheapo 4-12x40mm AO on stilts on an all-purpose .22 rifle. Better glass, more precision and better coatings. The rifle handles better and the smaller tougher scope is less susceptible to getting banged around, survives better when it does.

That said, I've got everything from fixed 4x to 2-7x to 8-32x so I'll do a bit of testing.

No arguments about shooting within the limitations of the firearm and the shooter though - critters and food deserve that. Lobbing .22s out 200 yards at gophers would be pressing it a bit, given wind and ballistics - optics notwithstanding? I know you didn't say at animals, but I want to be clear.

I like the Leupold 3-9x33 AO a LOT. However, I think the 2-7x RF and 4x RF scopes are vastly underrated at their price point. You don't need AO at lower power.
 
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IMO the optics of a high quality 4x scope outweigh a higher magnification but cheap scope. I've shot minute of angle groups (at 100 yards) with a .270 and an old Japanese Bushnell Banner scope at dusk, so I'm not sure that much more magnification is needed given a good reticle and clear, fully multicoated optics

Point that high end 4x scope at a gopher hunkered down in the grass 200 yards out and tell us how that works out for you.

No arguments about shooting within the limitations of the firearm and the shooter though - critters and food deserve that. Lobbing .22s out 200 yards at gophers would be pressing it a bit, given wind and ballistics - optics notwithstanding? I know you didn't say at animals, but I want to be clear.

Gophers are vermin and as such deserve to be shot en mass. :) Yes I shoot gophers at 200 yds with my rimfire rifle. With some practice it can be done on a fairly regular basis. At longer ranges you are either likely to connect or miss completely. Even shooting gophers at close ranges does not guarantee an instant kill.
 
Point that high end 4x scope at a gopher hunkered down in the grass 200 yards out and tell us how that works out for you.

Gophers are vermin and as such deserve to be shot en mass. :) Yes I shoot gophers at 200 yds with my rimfire rifle. With some practice it can be done on a fairly regular basis. At longer ranges you are either likely to connect or miss completely. Even shooting gophers at close ranges does not guarantee an instant kill.

First off, the OP is asking whether to scope or not as he is used to iron sights. Assuming that he'll need to take out gophers at 200 yards ropes him into gear that likely isn't optimal for everything.

Secondly, gophers are native North American mammals with as much right to occupy the plains as buffalo, the health of your cattle notwithstanding. They deserve a clean shot and sufficient killing power as much as any other sentient life form.

I've got a 4x12 AO B&L and have taken them on occasion at about 150 yards (with CCI Stingers IIRC), when the wind was low and I had a good sight picture. But again, the gear I used for gophers was more specialized than a general purpose .22, and you wouldn't see me hiking many cut lines with it. The 2-7x RF is much better all-round. My .308 wears a 4x compact that fits the rifle perfectly. 28/4= a 7mm exit pupil which is excellent for low light, especially coupled with the resolving power of better glass. I don't plan on taking deer past 300 yards anyway, and most deer on the continent are taken within 150 yards.

A fun all-purpose .22 with more than sufficient accuracy out to 100 yards (IMO the responsible lethal limit of the cartridge on things bigger than gophers) is well served by a compact 4x or 1-5x or 2-7x lightweight, high-quality scope mounted low to the bore axis. Lower powers provide field of view and brightness in thick bush and dim weather. Light weight and compact form factors preserve the handling characteristics of the rifle better. Simpler internal mechanicals which eschew AO or even variable powers, coupled with better glass and coatings make for a much better experience overall with the rifle. From photography, I know that zooms require more lenses and let less light through at the same given focal length as a prime lens, often at the cost of sharpness. Often, a zoom is a compromise where a fixed power is superior overall.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/under-scoped.htm

EDIT: Incidentally, that Leupold 2.5x on the 10/22 in the picture could me mounted a fair bit lower with a Weaver T01 mount and a set of low Burris Z-rings. Would be almost like iron sights and 2.5x.

Also, I've noticed that the fine notch and bead sights on rimfires made in the first half of the 20th century often totally outclass the factory iron sights of today.
 
Zero at 50 will be pretty much dead on at 20 with target ammo. Do a search on .22 Long Rifle ballistic tables to figure it out with your chosen load/velocity.

Of course, you could zero at 125 for those 200 yard gophers. *insert poke-with-a-stick smiley here*

I keed I keed!!! ;)
 
For my 67 Carbine I wanted something with the retro look so I just used a Weaver T09 base and Weaver Top Mount rings. I don't know when they were introduced, but they have been around for a long time. And since Weaver still makes these, you can get them new. This setup can mount a scope VERY low on the gun, and it is almost perfect with the Weaver 2.5x scope I use.

My 67 Fingergroove Sporter has the same setup with higher rings for a 6x scope.


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http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286272

This is the way I like a general-purpose 10/22.
 
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