To Standard, or Not To Standard

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Okay, here's the deal. I've been shooting Production for the last few months now with my M&P Core 9L and loving it. However, just recently I got a real good deal on a SIG X5 P226 Comp model 9mm. It's an awesome pistol and even better to shoot, but it's not approved for Production, so that means I would have to shoot Standard.

The question is do I continue shooting Production, or do a make the jump to Standard?

The only real difference that I can see is that I'd be facing guys who could be shooting Major in Standard thus giving them a point advantage against me if I continue to shoot Minor. But maybe I'm missing something.
 
9mm is at a disadvantage in the standard division in terms of scoring unless you always shoot A's. I'd probably look at another gun if wanting to shoot standard, atleast get one in 40 cal
 
If you got a holster and mag pouches already, I say shoot it for sh!ts & giggles. Have fun with it.

BUT if you plan on being competitive, I agree with the folks who say shooting minor in Std. Div is a disadvantage.
 
Well, even though I hate to admit it I don't always shoot A's. Unfortunately, a few C's slip into the mix. Personally, I'm not a fan of the way IPSC has the standard division setup. Why even allow 9mm in Standard if there is no hope to compete based on the Power Factor? Standard needs to be split in some fashion, kinda of like Production and Production Optics. But I'm new to the sport so I'm probably not the best to comment on change. In the meantime, I'll just shoot for fun :)
 
zoomage said:
Well, even though I hate to admit it I don't always shoot A's. Unfortunately, a few C's slip into the mix. Personally, I'm not a fan of the way IPSC has the standard division setup. Why even allow 9mm in Standard if there is no hope to compete based on the Power Factor? Standard needs to be split in some fashion, kinda of like Production and Production Optics. But I'm new to the sport so I'm probably not the best to comment on change. In the meantime, I'll just shoot for fun :)
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I shoot for fun and occasionally surprise myself. I shoot open minor because my current fave pistol is a Glock with a red dot and a trigger job. Open is an arms race anyway so I’m already at a disadvantage and minor just compounds that unless I have an exceptional day. I’m still enjoying it and I compete against myself to get better. Don’t worry about it too much and shoot what you enjoy...and the A’s will come.
 
To be fair - and this is not a dig at you - you're already at a disadvantage in Production with an M&P. It's generally the largest field of competition, and the guys scoring in the top 1/3 are probably running CZ's & Tanfo's

Shoot accurately and you should do well enough in Standard, and its likely a much nicer pistol to shoot
 
If you're always shooting A's then you're not shooting fast enough anyway. Minor is a significant disadvantage period.

Also, to all the ppl that say they shoot for fun. Even the top shooters in Canada shoot for fun. They don't make a living off of it as you know.
 
You could try to run Std Major. VV 3N38 and a 147 gr projectile will get you required speed for a major PF somewhere in the middle of the load range (perhaps even closer to start). VV developed 3N38 as an Open powder, but why not try it with Std. It's slow burning and not hugely snappy, and if it's well within spec load range, then very unlikely to blow anything up like some of the huge loads some use for Open. You could try starting around 6.2gr with any 147gr projectile and work up. Chrony and see where you get to major PF. You need 1160 fps to make 170 PF for Std Major. The min load of 3N38 will get there, and with say an xmetal 147 will probably be even better velocity.
 
kb007 said:
You could try to run Std Major. VV 3N38 and a 147 gr projectile will get you required speed for a major PF somewhere in the middle of the load range (perhaps even closer to start). VV developed 3N38 as an Open powder, but why not try it with Std. It's slow burning and not hugely snappy, and if it's well within spec load range, then very unlikely to blow anything up like some of the huge loads some use for Open. You could try starting around 6.2gr with any 147gr projectile and work up. Chrony and see where you get to major PF. You need 1160 fps to make 170 PF for Std Major. The min load of 3N38 will get there, and with say an xmetal 147 will probably be even better velocity.
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Good plan except for the part where you can't shoot 9 Major in Standard.
 
kb007 said:
You could try to run Std Major. VV 3N38 and a 147 gr projectile will get you required speed for a major PF somewhere in the middle of the load range (perhaps even closer to start). VV developed 3N38 as an Open powder, but why not try it with Std. It's slow burning and not hugely snappy, and if it's well within spec load range, then very unlikely to blow anything up like some of the huge loads some use for Open. You could try starting around 6.2gr with any 147gr projectile and work up. Chrony and see where you get to major PF. You need 1160 fps to make 170 PF for Std Major. The min load of 3N38 will get there, and with say an xmetal 147 will probably be even better velocity.
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I'm guessing you don't shoot ipsc? The minimum caliber for major power factor in standard division is 10mm.
 
No, not many at all, but a few. I like shooting production, so I'll continue doing that with the M&P for now. I'll probably look at getting a CZ at some point, but I'll keep the SIG X5 Comp since I got such a great deal on the gun. I have no problem using it for the limited steel matches in my area.
 
carsmovies said:
I'm guessing you don't shoot ipsc? The minimum caliber for major power factor in standard division is 10mm.
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Aw feck, I guess I had my rule book open to the open page as I was checking something for my open gun. That's what happens when you mix work and forum responses...
 
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