TOMAHAWK 1200 (Tactical Semi-Auto Special)

brotherjack said:
Ummm, nope, they actually stand by that. I've returned two different firearms to them over issues I had with them, and they refunded me my money both times without giving me any significant hassle. I did have some significant issues with the guns, mind you, but still - I know of ZERO other companies in Canada that will do that for a firearm that's been to the range a few times; wouldn't matter if it broke in half, you're stuck with the OEM in all cases I'm aware of.

While in the end, I may not have liked the guns in question (no more Norinco anything for me!), the guys over at Marstar have always taken good care of me. I'd deal with them again anytime (which is more than I can say for most of the vendors in Canada I've dealt with over the years).
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Same for me, they have a great return policy.
 
Aubie said:
Marstar provides cheap firearms to people who only like the look of the gun/rifle, not the quality of materials used. They fool you into thinking your getting a quality firearm. How do they do this? Price ofcourse, we are suckers when it comes to thinking we're gettin a god deal. That coupled with there 1 year warranty is enough to rip off many canadians. The guns are probly designed to last only about a year anyway. Imagine how much they paid for this "tomahawk shotgun". Maybe around $150 brand new! common people..............These guys are sitting on a beach somewhere gettin rich of you guys, with benelli's and beretta's in the safe.
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You obviously haven't handled the Bul Transmark series of pistols. I have yet to hold/shoot a better quality pistol than my wife's Bul Storm.
 
Aubie said:
Marstar provides cheap firearms to people who only like the look of the gun/rifle, not the quality of materials used. They fool you into thinking your getting a quality firearm. How do they do this? Price ofcourse, we are suckers when it comes to thinking we're gettin a god deal. That coupled with there 1 year warranty is enough to rip off many canadians. The guns are probly designed to last only about a year anyway. Imagine how much they paid for this "tomahawk shotgun". Maybe around $150 brand new! common people..............These guys are sitting on a beach somewhere gettin rich of you guys, with benelli's and beretta's in the safe.[/quote

Ill take Lawsuite for $1200 please bob....
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"ll take Lawsuite for $1200 please bob...."

Somone in another threat ordered one of the semi's.

Soon we well get some impressions. I'm down with Marstar, good prices and varied selection of products. Some times they screw my orders up, but they always take care of it.
 
Aubie said:
Marstar provides cheap firearms to people who only like the look of the gun/rifle, not the quality of materials used. They fool you into thinking your getting a quality firearm. How do they do this? Price ofcourse, we are suckers when it comes to thinking we're gettin a god deal. That coupled with there 1 year warranty is enough to rip off many canadians. The guns are probly designed to last only about a year anyway. Imagine how much they paid for this "tomahawk shotgun". Maybe around $150 brand new! common people..............These guys are sitting on a beach somewhere gettin rich of you guys, with benelli's and beretta's in the safe.
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What a pile of bunk, john is constantly bringing in new guns at great prices and this is the thanks he gets for it? Not all of us can afford $1500 shotguns and if these Turkish shotguns means more shooters and more cool guns than we should all be for it.
 
If the chinese guns were all junk, I have trouble understanding why Americans, who generally hate communist china, pay $900 for used chinese m14's - what we get for $399 new including a warranty from Marstar? I agree its important to do your research and have realistic expectations of what you will be getting. A guy asks a question, does his homework before buying. That is what this forum is so good for. I wouldn't make any blanket statements without knowing exactly what I was talking about.
 
Ya I see now how I may have used the wrong words about Marstar(had a bad day). I shouldnt be talking about hardworking dealers like that, my appologies. I just have personal issues about quality that has nothing to do with Marstar. I'm just gonna wait for some tomahawk news and maybe order one myself. Take her on some hunts and draw my own conclusion. Again my appologies Marstar crew.
 
I had been interested in a Tomahawk as well, and did some homework on the company.

Mustafa Uslu run a very modern ISO 9001 factory for their shotgun. They are not "The Norinco of Turkey", but much like Tisas they make original products with consistent quality. Their products are inexpensive because they are fighting for market share and name recognition, they are not cheap due to shoddy quality like Chinese clone guns.

A lot of people scoff at "ISO 9001", but it is legit. Sig, H&K, Sabre Arms, Mossberg and a few others pushed for ISO 9001 certified manufacturing in order for consistent quality. Modern CNC, high end steel, and ISO 9001 quality control gets rid of the "is my gun a lemon" factor.

Long story short, companies like M&U, Tisas & Kral are easily on par with any american firearms manufacturer (and easily ahead of the non-ISO ones).

People used to bash "slav sh!t" from cz back in the day, and when the cz 75 showed up in the 70s there was a huge american bias towards it. "It is cheap so it must be terrible!", right? Who would want a slav pistol? Jump ahead 20 years and the CZ 75 is regarded as one of the finest handguns in the world. No one disputes the quality of the CZ 75 now, but they had to fight for years to get the name recognition they deserve.

As an interesting side note, Turkey has replaced the CZ 75 with their Tisas Zigana (also an outstanding handgun sold by Marstar, coincidently). If the Mustafa Uslu shotguns are anything like the Tisas pistols in terms of quality, then they are a steal at their current price.

I have some friends (offline) who bash Marstar for the same reason some of the people here are doing it. They see the cheap optics and the Norinco P220 clones and accuse the whole site of being "chinese trash"... but they overlook some real gems hidden in there. No one questions the quality of the Delta pistols or the MG-34 machine guns they sell. People unfamiliar with the BUL or Zigana may question them (based on name recognition) but that is their loss.
 
I have bought and sold guns from Marstar and had vg service.
The poeple- usally young fellows can't afford a Sig or whatever,
but can afford a Norinco, and then about a year later, they will up grade
to the sig or colt.
Also in my area a lot of cheap 12g punps are sold as truck guns,
shot 25-50 rounds a year.
Those guys are not going to buy my Beretta O/u with 5 choke tubes
for that.
Plus ,with century gone , with out Marstar, who would bring in all the
neat stuff?????????????????????????:D
Marshall
 
Aubie said:
Just my opinion guys. No harm intended. Just thinking in my own crazy way. But lets say your lost, forced to confront 3 grizzly bears by yourself, in the winter. And even if you live through this encounter you know you need to survive for days even weeks in this wilerness. Behind you 4 semi auto shotguns lay on the muddy, frozen ground. Say 10 shells in your pocket. Your knowledgeable about shotguns and can discern between each quickly. If you can only choose one for this campaign, what would you pickup? The Tomahawk, the extrema, the SBE, or A5? Just my imagination guys, but hell it gives me the control to save my pennies for quality firearms my life could depend on. Well all firearms can fail but like I said just my opinion. peace
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Grizzly's hibernate in winter...
 
mr_trout said:
I had been interested in a Tomahawk as well, and did some homework on the company.

Mustafa Uslu run a very modern ISO 9001 factory for their shotgun. They are not "The Norinco of Turkey", but much like Tisas they make original products with consistent quality. Their products are inexpensive because they are fighting for market share and name recognition, they are not cheap due to shoddy quality like Chinese clone guns.

A lot of people scoff at "ISO 9001", but it is legit. Sig, H&K, Sabre Arms, Mossberg and a few others pushed for ISO 9001 certified manufacturing in order for consistent quality. Modern CNC, high end steel, and ISO 9001 quality control gets rid of the "is my gun a lemon" factor.

Long story short, companies like M&U, Tisas & Kral are easily on par with any american firearms manufacturer (and easily ahead of the non-ISO ones).

People used to bash "slav sh!t" from cz back in the day, and when the cz 75 showed up in the 70s there was a huge american bias towards it. "It is cheap so it must be terrible!", right? Who would want a slav pistol? Jump ahead 20 years and the CZ 75 is regarded as one of the finest handguns in the world. No one disputes the quality of the CZ 75 now, but they had to fight for years to get the name recognition they deserve.

As an interesting side note, Turkey has replaced the CZ 75 with their Tisas Zigana (also an outstanding handgun sold by Marstar, coincidently). If the Mustafa Uslu shotguns are anything like the Tisas pistols in terms of quality, then they are a steal at their current price.

I have some friends (offline) who bash Marstar for the same reason some of the people here are doing it. They see the cheap optics and the Norinco P220 clones and accuse the whole site of being "chinese trash"... but they overlook some real gems hidden in there. No one questions the quality of the Delta pistols or the MG-34 machine guns they sell. People unfamiliar with the BUL or Zigana may question them (based on name recognition) but that is their loss.
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Good post.

My experience with Marstar warranty. We had a VZ58 come in on a trade with a seized off-kilter front sight, I called Marstar and discussed what we'd tried to fix it, they said send it back, we did and they sent it back fixed. No problems since. No fooling around, just fixed.
 
Does ISO make for a better company?

I work at an ISO company, it just means a small forest gets deforested in paperwork everday.

It does help in that everything is regulated to the extreme, and that any little discrepancy is logged, charted, resolved. Mostly. Depends on the people working there really.

But I swear they based this system off the Gestapo.
 
I had a Benelli M4, but decided to sell it and buy a CanAm Grizz instead. Can I compare the 2? Not really! Can I expect my Grizz to crap out when SHTF? I hope it doesn't? Will I have fun knowing I only spent $300 on it? Most definitely!
 
The bear on the other end collecting the slug does even know what Turkey or China are.

Funny thing is, I love my 870 expresses, but to tell you the honest truth, I'm not totally convinced they are built to any higher standard than my Grizzly. They have all always went bang when I wanted it to. I know its not a semi but this is about offshore quality
 
just speaking personally, i have more confidence ordering something like an M-305, Norinco 870 clone, DA Grizzly, etc because they are knockoffs of relatively simple, well-known designs that have been proven for over half a century. so id order another M-305 from Marstar tomorrow, but wouldnt really consider a Tomahawk unless a few people in this forum actually received one and posted thorough reviews with lots of pics.

i am just hesitant to buy a semi-auto of new unknown design with very little firsthand user reviews available.

WalterDekter said:
If you have a head on your shoulders and are willing to spend a bit of time making a few simple modifications and a bit of money for a few upgraded parts (to replace certain parts that may become evidently prone to failure) you can have an item that is functionally 95% (or more) as good as the brand name item that costs twice or three times as much.
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i dont think that this is necessarily true. some firearm designs are just inherently more/less reliable, more/less finicky about cleaning, more/less durable, etc. there is only so much you can do with replacing, modifying, polishing or even fabricating parts - the basic design/operation and quality of materials do not change. you can upgrade as many parts as you like but your new Charles Daly semi will never be as well-built and reliable as a Benelli SBE, for example.
 
shadow sniper said:
John, we need a 5.56mm 800-900$ range Turkish bullpup assault rifle !
(wich of course, takes AR magazines ans is not-restricted !:D)
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There is only one rifle from Turkey that I want to get my hands on:

The Mehmetзik-1 (A Turkish nationalized version of the HK416)

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Sadly I am pretty certain they will not be allowed to export their MKEK rifles as a part of their licence with HK. I would rather not pay $4200 for a civilian HK416, and a lower cost Turkish clone would be rather nice.
 
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