Tomahawk Pump Shotgun (PA 2210)

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Hi there all you Marstar fans

Anyone have any experience with the Tomahawk line of pump shotguns? I have a PA 2210 (that's the nickel plated 20 in barrel job) bought about a year ago. I like the gun, it was a good price, it's fun to shoot and functions well (the action is a touch sticky but then again it has only had a couple of dozen shells through it), but it is a serious PITA to reassemble after cleaning.

Last time (about 6 months ago) I got it so jammed I had to send it back to Frank at Marstar to fix - he told me on the phone there was an issue with the action release bar and that it had been repaired. He fixed it for free and mailed it back.

Yesterday after blasting the s*** out of some cardboard targets on my buddy's farm (at 40 yards we got virtually identical patterns and he was shooting his $2000 28 in Benelli with improved cylinder choke) I took it home, got the manual out, poured a drink and settled in to clean it.

It came apart like S*** through a goose, very nice. "Thanks Frank", I thought "you really did get it sorted". Anyway, perhaps I spoke too soon, because after cleaning it thoroughly, I simply could not get it back together and functioning. Eventually I did persuade it to reassemble but it was a real struggle. I was mindful of the instruction not to force anything and it took a lot of wiggling and jiggling to get the forend and bolt and the barrel to slide together. The last 1/4 inch to seat the barrel took quite a steady push. The barrel is now fully seated, the action is open and the bolt is at the rear, it all looks just fine but the action will not cycle forward. I have pulled it apart and put it back together three times and once it is assembled the damn thing is frozen solid.

Anyone have any tips or tricks? I will be calling Frank at Marstar tomorrow - in the meantime, any help here? I do NOT want to have to send the damn gun back to the dealer every time I have to clean it.

Cheers and thanks in advance.
 
Are these 870 knockoffs as well?

Because I had the same issue with my Dominion Arms grizzly. Taking it apart was a joke but getting it together was a real rash. If the action is not cycling forward there is a problem with the action bars most likely. This has become pretty common not only with knockoffs but with real deal 870's over the past few years. Be patient with her, run a couple hundred rounds through it vigorously and get it beat up/worked in.
 
cuto85 said:
Are these 870 knockoffs as well?

Because I had the same issue with my Dominion Arms grizzly. Taking it apart was a joke but getting it together was a real rash. If the action is not cycling forward there is a problem with the action bars most likely. This has become pretty common not only with knockoffs but with real deal 870's over the past few years. Be patient with her, run a couple hundred rounds through it vigorously and get it beat up/worked in.
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Thanks cuto. I am not sure if it's an 870 knockoff or not - here's the link to it on the Marstar site

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-Turkish-SG/PA-2210.shtm

I've never had a close look at an 870. The 2210 is seriously giving me fits just now.
 
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Here's what the problem looks like

Dissasembled

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Part assembled (this is where you need to push the action bar buttion and wiggle the hell out of the barrel and forend)



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At that point - it suddenly slides almost all the way into the receiver - only another 1/4 inch or so to go

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which 1/4 inch requires steady pressure to seat


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Whereupon the damn thing is totally frozen - I can pull it apart again but that's it.

Here is the parts diagram if that helps and the parts list - maybe this'll help someone help me figure it out

Thanks!!

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Maybe this will help Frank from Marstar help me figure it out Monday - or perhaps John if he's online

Cheers all

:HR:


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Raton57 said:
What makes you think you have to clean it so much. I can see after a whole season of hunting but after a few rounds why bother.
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Raton

Maybe you are right, but I was taught to always clean my firearms after shooting and that dates back to nearly 50 years ago, whether one of my old man's .22s or a Bren Gun in the militia (and yes I know the difference between commercial primers and corrosive).

Plus what use is a weapon you cannot strip apart and put back together again? Part of the reason for doing so was to see if the problem had been fixed after the first time.

Cheers
 
Thanks Tony

It is a nice gun although giving me conniption fits just now. Barrel and receiver tolerances are okay - where it is binding is at the top of the breech bolt and the top end of the barrel extension at the cap pin. After a whole bunch of reps and a bit of gun grease it now comes apart and goes back together quite readily, but the SOB still will not cycle.

I thought there might be a issue with the carrier as it was not pushing up at the end of the assembly - I carefully took it slowly and made sure the carrier engaged and pushed up - still NFG.

When I leaned hard on the forend the breech closed about 80 % - did not close completely and the locking lug did not engage. Something is still not right.

I'll take my drink back to the lab (to see what's on the slab) and bugger around some more.

I am sure Marstar will help in the morning.

If not I will start sending PM's to John and perhaps see if he is willing to exchange my $350 Tomahawk for a Barrett 50 (the aggravation has been huge).

I still like the gun, just need to get it sorted. Mind you, Cabelas has a Mossberg 500 with two barrels (18 in cylinder and ribbed 28 bird barrel) for $279. Hard to beat.
 
Sounds like something is binding as you have discovered. I bought a bolt action shotgun off the ee a while back (Stevens 58D), which is of course a completely different action type. It would cycle and the firing pin would drop, but not with enough french to set the primer off. I got into a weird state of mind trying to figure it all out until it dawned on me that the sides of the sear cutout were gripping the sides of the actual sear enough to slow down the fall of the sear when the trigger was pulled. All I had to do was do some drawfiling on the receiver and it was sorted. I would suggest taking a hard look at places where the trigger/disconnector parts may be binding. Best regards, Tony

Edit: locking lug not engaging - that might point you in a certain direction.
 
I'm thinkng you didn't place the bolt carrier properly on the bolt... might have my terms mixed up but i'm referring to the piece that connects the bolt to the pump "arms". The bolt looks like it's riding crooked.
 
SUCCESS!!! Thanks to Stray and Fat Tony and all other advice. Tony got me thinking it looked a lot like the 870 so I watched a lot of youtube on the 870 - very similar guns - this got me thinking further, especially after visiting theammosource in Harrowsmith today and noting that Ryan has the same gun under the brand name Optima - apparently it is also sold as the Hatsan Escort, all made in the same factory in Turkey. Stray got me focussing on the bolt alignment which I had already noted.

I found a video on stripping the Hatsan, which is close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwV6hrfe5sE&feature=related

More importantly, the manual for the Hatsan Escort, available online has a warning about getting the bolt to ride correctly on the carrier when you reassemble - see page 8 of the manual.

http://www.hatsan.com.tr/pdf/Escort_Pump_Action_Shotgun/Escort_Instruction_Manual_Pump_Action_GB.pdf

Bingo!!! I am back in business, no need to mail the gun to Marstar.

Next stop, stripping and reassembling the Mossberg 500 I got today in Harrowsmith.

Cheers all

Oldexpat
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fat tony said:
I was wondering if there is anyone out there who got a PA-2201XP. This one has the spring assist on the pump mechanism.
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Tony

My 2210 has the spring assist and I have taken it out. Reason being that the breech will not stay open (there is no lock) and one of the safety rules at my range is that the breech must be locked open when the weapon is unattended on the firing line or at the safe working area.

I could have simply blocked it open with a piece of dowel but I prefer to be able to leave it open on it's own. The spring made chambering a shell a bit quicker but not so's you'd notice.

Cheers
 
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