Too much lead in venision?....

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I haven`t hunted in quite awhile, and on`t know if this has been covered before....But is this really a concern?......

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Drink the Kool-Aid, eat the venison
Friday, May 23, 2008 10:29 AM EDT)

Sometimes I have to wonder about a few organizations that purport to represent those of us who hunt. Do they advance in public discourse an enlightened rationale for the continuation of sport hunting, one that a reasonable hunter or non-hunter might support? Or do they cavalierly dismiss us as dunderheads, incapable of rational thought or displaying concern for others, an attitude found among anti-hunters who characterize us as drooling Neanderthals who only lust for blood?

The issue comes to mind because of recent findings involving minute, often microscopically small particles of toxic bullet lead in the venison we eat that comes from the deer we shoot — and the initial, knee-jerk reaction to these findings by the National Rifle Association, Safari Club International and the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

The issue arose a few months ago when Dr. William Cornatzer, a North Dakota physician, gathered 95, 1-pound packages of ground venison donated to the state’s food pantries. X-rays detected the presence of metal in 53 packages. Five positive samples underwent further laboratory analysis, all of which tested strongly positive for lead.

This prompted the North Dakota Department of Health to order the state’s food banks to destroy all remaining venison. The venison, donated by hunters, had been distributed to the needy. Hunters were left to decide for themselves whether to discard any venison remaining in their freezers.

The North Dakota action marked a new development. As one big-game biologist put it, “I’ve never seen anything done on human health or muscle meat for human consumption.”

But it pointed to a potential problem because lead is extremely toxic when ingested. It raised the question of whether hunters should continue firing lead bullets.

How did the NRA, SCI and NSSA react? Rather than suggest the initial findings might be cause for concern, the groups launched a frontal attack on the North Dakota Department of Health and the physician who brought the matter to light.

An NRA spokesman called the North Dakota Health Department’s actions “reckless” because it was “based on a single ‘study’ conducted by a dermatologist. There is simply no science to justify the department’s directive to dispose of donated venison.”

Safari Club International declared the whole matter based on an “unscientific assessment.”

The National Shooting Sports Foundation asserted “there is absolutely no peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support the unfortunate and unnecessary overreaction by health officials in North Dakota.”

Indeed, the NRA blamed North Dakota for having “caused unnecessary fear to spread across the hunting community.”

If this vacuous bombast proved reassuring to hunters, it was short-lived. The state of Minnesota quickly ran its own tests on state food-bank venison. It found 25 percent of 299 samples contained lead fragments. It also ordered state food banks to destroy their remaining stocks of venison. Iowa tested 10 samples (a statistically insignificant number) and found “trace” amounts in 20 percent of them.

Then, last week, The Peregrine Fund and Washington State University released the results of a study of 30 white-tailed deer “killed under normal hunting conditions in northern Wyoming with standard lead-core, copper-jacketed bullets fired from a high-powered rifle. X-rays of all 30 deer showed widespread dispersal of lead fragments in the carcasses consistent with previous research. The fragments ranged in size from smaller than a grain of table salt to as large as a sesame seed.”

Further, there is a considerable body of scientific evidence involving the effects of lead on humans. It is especially toxic to children and pregnant women. The Food and Drug Administration permits no more than five parts per billion of lead in bottled water. The highest lead level found in the Minnesota venison study, assuming a 1-pound package, was 21,000 parts per billion — a level 4,200 times greater than allowed in a bottle of water you might buy at your local 7-11.

It is worthwhile to note that the NRA has a long history of opposing bans on lead ammunition. More than 30 years ago it opposed a regulation to require waterfowl hunters to use steel shot, even though biologists estimated 2 million ducks died each year from eating spent lead pellets.

Bald-eagles also died from ingesting lead pellets found in wounded or dead ducks. The NRA did not care. Several months ago it fought a proposed regional ban on lead ammunition to prevent the lead-poisoning deaths of California condors, the rarest bird in North America. It was brought to the brink of extinction partly because the birds ate lead fragments from the viscera and tissue of animals killed by hunters using lead bullets. The NRA did not care.

A few weeks ago NRA blocked an effort by the Minnesota legislature to prohibit hunters from using lead ammunition for small-game on public lands.

Instead of scurrilously dismissing Dr. Cornatzer as a dermatologist, a medical specialty the NRA suggests makes him unfit to warn of the dangers of lead poisoning, the organizations should have praised him for bringing to our attention a serious problem that had been over-looked. Instead of declaring on the basis of zero scientific evidence the “lack of science” in the North Dakota analysis, the organizations should have provided funds to find new ways to alleviate the lead-in-venison problem. (Using solid copper bullets is one way for deer hunters to eliminate lead in the venison they eat.)

The NRA’s actions over the decades tell us the organization cares little or nothing about wildlife. Now, we find the NRA, along with SCI and NSSF, dismissing the effects of lead on human health. (Since the three organizations support hunters giving venison to food banks for distribution to the needy, one could argue their recent statements tacitly support feeding toxic meat to the needy.)

As a hunter, I am appalled, as are many of my companions. Do they think concerned sportsmen don’t care? Do the recent statements from the three reflect the attitudes of responsible citizens and community organizations? Do their actions represent the views of an increasingly health conscious nation? I do not think so.

All of this suggests the recent actions of the NRA, SCI and NSSF are morally reprehensible, guided more by their own self-interest than the interests of their members who hunt deer, or who want to preserve wildlife, or who want to help the needy by giving venison to food banks.

james h. Phillips can be reached at jahoph@aol.com.
 
Holy Cow--my family has been eating venison killed with lead bullets for more than a hundred years now. And, you know what, those family members who ate all that venison a hundred years ago--thier all dead now. Must be something to this!!
 
I dare say that everyone who has eaten much meat from game birds shot with a shotgun, has at sometime bitten on a pellet. That is why we sort of gingerly mush our way through the meat, so as not to hurt a tooth. Have we not swallowed a pellet(s) in doing this? One pellet would be more lead than would be "microscopically" in a whole herd of shot deer. And, somehow, we lived!
 
I dare say that everyone who has eaten much meat from game birds shot with a shotgun, has at sometime bitten on a pellet. That is why we sort of gingerly mush our way through the meat, so as not to hurt a tooth. Have we not swallowed a pellet(s) in doing this? One pellet would be more lead than would be "microscopically" in a whole herd of shot deer. And, somehow, we lived!
......I have put more lead into one deer than that, and I turned out just fine!:D.....What was I saying?....what's trump....who lead?.....how'd I get here?!:p
 
I would have to guess that this isn't the first time health organizations have over reacted. Lake trout were found to have mercury in the intestines and they went nuts.That is til they found out mercury is a naturally occuring substance in lakes.We had to use nontoxic shot for waterfowl because they were ingesting lead. How many shots would have to be fired over a soft bottom marsh? Is there any follow up info on how much better waterfowl are doing since the introduction of non toxic shot? This is another over reaction.
 
Five positive samples underwent further laboratory analysis, all of which tested strongly positive for lead.


I suspect that if they go to the supermarket and tested the hamburger they'd find micrscopic bits of metal and lead too.
 
Hmm. Microscopic bits of lead in wild meat, or the hormonally, chemically, and god knows what else engineered domestic meat. I'll take my chances with the vennison.


Char
 
hmmmm thinking on that , has anyone ever done those tests on a dead human / i bet if they sampled an autopsied body and tested it they'd find all kinds of crap , and yes lets make it a test on a recently deceased 95 yr old .... for best effect. Bah Humbug ! Lead in venison , it's better than what i saw pumped into pigs in the local hog barn , at least 20 different shots a week, everything from antibiotics to hormones.... and then they say oh but these will be gone within 3 weeks , yup i agree with the wife i'll take my chances with a trace of lead in the venison.
 
IInstead of scurrilously dismissing Dr. Cornatzer as a dermatologist....

Pfft! Metallic lead has a very low bioavailablity. You'd have to eat a lot to get sick. I guess dermatologists aren't obliged to notice this when creating a stink about things they know fusk-all about.
 
This sounds like a anti-hunter push again. It just like the global warming fiasco...Terrorists like "David Suzuki" don't get a paycheck unless they can raise a concern about something then get a government grant to study it. I have eaten venison since I first got teeth and they were all killed by lead...I eat right up to the hole when I can...spit out alot of lead shot on game birds too...probably swallowed a few too...Used to chew on a pencil or two in school and they had lead based paint back in the 50's&60's...Come to think of it...our whole house was painted in lead based paint...no wonder I have no "HAIR"...
 
Pfft! Metallic lead has a very low bioavailablity. You'd have to eat a lot to get sick. I guess dermatologists aren't obliged to notice this when creating a stink about things they know fusk-all about.

That's what I learned in toxicology class too. Elemental lead has to be methylated in order to be absorbed readily by the body. These process are usually done by bacteria. I don't think that a freshly killed deer would pose much of a threat.
 
That's what I learned in toxicology class too. Elemental lead has to be methylated in order to be absorbed readily by the body. These process are usually done by bacteria. I don't think that a freshly killed deer would pose much of a threat.

yes, bacteria are the culprit, and there is at least a kilo of bacteria happily resident in your bowls, and everyone else's, right now. We would starve to death without their pre-processing of a lot of our food.

Lead is a cumulative heavy-metal toxin, which means that it enters your system and stays there a long, long time. Each exposure adds to your total burden until eventually it reaches toxic levels. How quickly does elemental lead get converted and taken up in the gut? Who knows? It will vary considerably by person. For the amount most subsistence hunters consume, I would personally not worry too much unless a blood-test shows high lead levels.

In the old days the real villain was leaded gas, which contains highly bio-available tetra-ethyl lead. Great stuff. We piston-engine pilots are still bathing in this sh*t every time we top the tanks and sample the sumps. Not to mention those who siphon our tanks and inhale the friggin stuff for kicks.

The real problem is the great unwashed inexperienced child-like public will demand that the gov't protect them from their own carelessness and stupidity and ban lead bullets. Good thing Barnes bullets work so well!!
 
I'd like to hear an informed opinion on this subject. Its quite possible that you can't compare lead shot swallowed by a bird, that may remain in its gizzard for long periods of time, to a human where the lead passes through quite quickly. I could see ground meat possibly containing a partially ground up bullet, but typical hunting bullets don't pound themselves into dust inside an animal. They deform and tear and shred.

Any studies to show family members consuming wild meat have higher than average lead levels in their blood? Wouldn't that be the definitive test? Is lead poisoning a problem they are encountering?
 
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