Took the plunge, now which division?

Someone can tell me what are the score like in D class in both Standard and Production in IPSC quebec?

I don't have my IPSC logins yet since I did the BB last week-end and would like to know what to expect in both division.

If 90% of the D class guy are almost top D shooter in standard and only about 50% of the D class guys are really good in production, I would have better chance in production.

Personnaly the only thing I see is standard I would have more point, more time (major load to control vs minor puff load) and could start #### and Locked.

Would have been fun to shoot the same stage twice, one with Prod other with standard and compare score, but I guess it would hard to judge since I begin in the sport.
 
using scores and such to determine where you should start is kind of bass ackward. You have have no idea what kind of a shooter you are going to be until you get into it. The scores you will see from other shooters will mean absolutely nothing to you until you've shot. As well if you are getting into this game just so you can get a particular ranking and a bunch of medals, you are going to likely be very disappointed for the first while. Try both divisions and see which one you like best, starting hammer down, or hammer back safety on. Hell try an Open gun and see what you think of that.
 
Though I still recommend Production as your starting place, I don't think you would be ill-served in Standard or any other division for that matter. However, I wouldn't look at who's shooting at what level as a means of deciding what division to play in. The numbers are constantly in flux because the shooters are constantly in flux. Anyway, you should only be competing with yourself at this point so other's performances will be immaterial to you for now. If you go into it with the idea that you will take and absorb ideas from everyone, but use those ideas in your own way to shoot your own game you will be well on your way. If you look at it as an opportunity to learn everything you can about IPSC style shooting techniques, then it really doesn't matter which division you choose. There are good shooters in all divisions, so you won't be winning anything for a while. That is not meant to be a knock; it is just a reality. IPSC is just too complicated and the skill set is just too vast to be able to drop into it as a new shooter and instantly start winning. Just pick a division that turns your crank, have some fun, and learn learn learn.

I suggested PD because of the ease of entry with your existing equipment, and the relative cost savings therein. And you can always flip divisions any time you want once you have a better handle on equipment needs and costs. But it's just a suggestion.
 
I truly never thought I would see the day when Robbie would be shooting Production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) :runaway:

Icefire, both Rob and Slavex have given some very strong advice here. I know that you want to see how you measure up against the rest of the playing field..that's what competition is all about but, it isn't something you should be focusing on right now (this is not a slam, just a suggestion).:)

My personal experience has shown that when I start worrying about what others are doing and who is shooting better than I am then my own performance faulters and isn't as good as it should be because my mental game is off. Trust me on this one, Omen will see me at a match and he can tell me if my mental game is off just based on my performance on one or two stages. When I don't think of him or others in my class or division I shoot like a house on fire. It's all about competing with yourself here. Unless you win the Nat's overall or the PQ Prov's no one cares but you!!!

Shoot smooth and you'll be fast. Learn the fundamentals and practice the hell out of 'em and I (okay, we) guarantee you will start to rise in the ranks.

Dragoon suggested that I read Saul Kirsch's book "Thinking Practical Shooting" - it was a huge help and great for my personal thinking. It and Brian Enos' book "Beyond Fundamentals" are two of the best resources you can get to put everything into perspective.
 
tritium said:
Dragoon suggested that I read Saul Kirsch's book "Thinking Practical Shooting" - it was a huge help and great for my personal thinking. It and Brian Enos' book "Beyond Fundamentals" are two of the best resources you can get to put everything into perspective.
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I second that one. Kirche's book has some great drills in it and some well articulated ideas, but Enos dissects things on a molecular level. A VERY smart man.
Of course, there are techniques classes available.....
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My idea about the score is if I'm always last, I'll probably find it less fun.
If there is 20 shooters in D, 18 are 90%+, I'll have some more difficulty to guage myself then if on 20 shooters, 5 are 90+, 5 70-80, 5 50-70, 5 50-.

It's all about self-confidence. I don't see myself in C before at least a couple of years.

Currently I have my grip/trigger/reloads to work on as I shoot 1-2in from 15yrds on a bench but I shoot minute of A-zone and 6in left unsupported.
 
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Icefire said:
Well Fun is sure my 1st goal as I won't be praticing very often but I would still prefer not be the last.
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Well your statements seem in conflict :D it's got to be one or the other......shooting for fun would mean to me that you don't care one bit were you place....but you seem to really care.

One thing for sure you cannot win a stages never mind a match without LOTS of practices.

Your score % won't be compare to other D shooter but to who ever win each stages and the overall match winner.... D shooter are between 0-40% in most provinces....and believe me you will have stages with 0 as a score.....IPSC is a competition....and all you will ever win is.....medal and trophy....and they cost lots of bullets :p ;)
 
LoL, not in conflict, related...
Having 0 in each stage is kinda sad when you know you could have done better by taking more time.
I don't want to win stage since i KNOW I can't for now.

I'll see what it's at the next CTM match, I'll try Production, I'll try to shoot at 3pm to see the 1pm squad and learn.
 
tritium said:
But Rob, my courses are for tactics and tactical ops!!!!

:D :D ;)
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You know, one of these days that would be a cool thing for me to do. I imagine it would certainly help me on the paint ball field and besides that, it would just be really interesting.

Hmmmmmm........
 
hmm.... here's the advice which I give to ALL of 'my' new ipsc people: at the beginning, just shoot all As. It doesn't matter how long that takes you, you will NOT be last. Guess what? Comes true every time (the only time that doesn't work in really small matches where only 'good' people show up, but you'd be at the bottom there anyway, right?).

there are a thousand steps to shooting IPSC with competition in mind, you're at step #2, worrying about step #768. Get your black badge using the great gun you have, shoot a few matches using the great gun you have, and we'll talk after that. Until then, it's all speculation not really based on any solid facts... Don't worry so much about it at this point, get into ipsc using what you have, and then we'll have fun getting you to win stuff later!!
 
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No groupies????????????:(

No fabulous prizes??????????????:(

No roadies named Bart????????????:(

That's it, I QUIT... I'll be in my trailer until this gets sorted out..the lack of groupies, prizes and roadies was NOT in my contract!:eek:
 
You sure can tell that the outdoor shooting season has ended... threads just seem to go on and on and on way past thier proper death...we have way too much free time...:D
 
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