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Does anybody know for sure what the latest 305 upper "plastic" handguards are made of? What I'd like to know is whether plumber's ABS or PVC glue can be used to work on them. Why you ask?

On page 15 of the manual one finds parts of the stupidest paragraph ever printed in the English language. F@#k you Uncle Sam. I'm left handed and my master eye is my left. I change for nobody.

I don't have enough time before 100 Mile to carve, order or mould a different handguard if any are available. My plan was to glue an extension cover from the top over to the righthand side and down to cover the op rod as the Mini 14s Rugers do.

Thanks for reading this. Looking forward to meeting some of you in July.
 
hey bc308 ...just a ? why ...I shoot lefty allways have ..and have no issues with shooting my 305 that way ...i allways wear glasses , so thats never an issue .And my 305 seems to eject brass low and right havent been hit in the face with hot brass yet ..unlike most of the other semis i have used .....what are you making the guard for?? You have to watch hand placement shooting right hand as well
 
No need for any of that 308!

I shoot left handed with a very dominant left eye, and I have never had an issue with my M14 at all.

Ejecting Brass is not an issue.

The only problem that could arise is from the placement of your support are which might result in your hand comming in contact with the operating rod as the weapon cycles. Of course this is also an easy fix. Just place your hand somewhere else. I naturally place my right hand high on the magazine. If for some reason I need a bit more stability then I will slide it forward while rotating my hand to rest completely underneath the receiver, well alway from the moving op-rod.

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funny how you're one of the few that has had this problem- out of the 1.25 MILLION manufactured /issued in the us and lord knows how many around the world- if you must have your hand in THAT particular spot, why not go for what the 'mericans are doing and adopt a VERTICAL FOREGRIP- i've been shooting the platform sice the '80's and never been bitten by the op-rod. oh yea, and i'm left eye dom/left handed- my right hand goes somewhere on the checkering forard if the mag, but aft of the drain hole, aft of the sling swivel
and page 15 of my manual has to do with cleaning the magazine , btw- download fm23-8 and throw that chinese copy away
 
moose2hunt and Burnaby shooter you get my drift. It is hand placement I'm concerned with. Under relaxed bench conditions or casual shooting one can deliberately place hands out of the way. My concern is in doing pressure type drills where the ground may not be ideal, and you're hurrying to get your shots off, you may just not quite roll your hand under enough. This happened to me years ago with a Garand, therefore I went with an L1A1 for my truck rifle (the good old days before the LISTING). Over the years I've collected AG42B's, SKS and others that had less external moving parts.

The under magazine grip looks promising. Hungry can be seen using it in one of the videos. My 305 is a shorty, so holding it further back under the mag, and closer to the centre of balance, will be easier to do than with a longer rifle.

t-star I like to tinker. That is what this latest influx of cheapies is about. You have to admit the small addition to the Mini14's handguard is a lot less obtrusive than an ugly forward vertical grip. The forward grip was probably a great addition to Al Capone's F/A Thompson. I'm not tacticool, more of a benchrest shooter, and don't want a lot of protrusions on the rifle. I don't intend to scope this one either and will probably use 5 shot magazines in it most of the time. I think the 20's will be needed for part of the schooling in 100 Mile though.

t-star I went to M14.ca's website recently and looked at both the current Norinco manual which is identical to mine and the Springfield manual. The Norc manual is pretty well a carbon copy of the S/A with 13 less pages, some just note pages. The red ink, left hand warning on page 15 of the Norc is on page 18 of the S/A. Your manual must be an older flavour.

For those wondering about fm23-8 the Search function will get you there. Thanks t-star, good shooting.
 
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hey bc I am new to the m14 as well ,I have run a case through mine so far no issues with hand placement ..Half on the Mag on the stock it’s a comfortable hold..long or shorty .Stick with the long mags for that We have done some fast shooting /moving, sighting shot placement stuff its all a learning curve ....learn to put your hand out of the way all the time .....I haven’t caught a finger yet ....but when I do take I will take a picture of it and post it ...It will be good for a laugh... and probably not do it again
 
actually, they're BOTH bastardized copies-fm23-8 is what every soldier was issued way back until they switched to the ar/m16 series-fm stands for field manual, but i have yet to see one outside of a barracks-box or field locker- the REAL manual is tm 9-1005-223-12 and the same sequence but change the last 2 numbers for the direct support technical manual
personally, i think the jury's still out on the vertical foregrip- depends on whether you "twist your wrist " or not- i've seen them on 16 platforms and 14 platforms, esp on tri-gun, but you never see them on" hunting" or full blown target rifles - of course, if you use a bipod( which i do) the support hand gets tucked back against the top or bottom of the buttstock, a la bren, and the bipod supports the front end
 
i just went over and looked at that manual- IT'S A LOAD OF CRAP WITH A CAPITAL C- "uncle sam intended the m14 to be fired right handed" - just like the garand?- well, there are THOUSANDS of left handed usgis that would beg to differ- the ONLY place the righties rule is on the drill/parade square, and that's for uniformity- as a rule, we're better shots as well- that's as stupid as that us captain that says you must do all your 1911 drills with your RIGHT hand, apply the safety and then transfer the gun to your left for firing-in other words a "cross the border" with a hot gun-
trust me, NEITHER the FIELD MANUAL for the GARAND OR M14( FM23-8) HAS ANY SUCH WARNING- the chinese simply copied the same error and bull that springfield ARMS COMPANY- not the springfied armory( us) puts out
 
For sure moose2hunt, that is basically what I plan to learn. Please be careful about the finger shredding. Years ago WCB had a big poster of a guy's finger where something hooked his ring, which sliced the meat right to the bone. My trade is HD mechanics and after 40 years of on and off work on machinery I plan to keep my hands "as issued". I've worked with many guys wearing shortened fingers.

Confession time. After dumping on the vertical grip I admit I will likely put a bipod on mine. This will mean some changes as to where I grab it. There will be less room on the stock, but in a hurry I may be able to grab the legs. After 100 Mile I hope to use it in the Terrace Service Rifle Shoot. It will be interesting.

Again t-star excellent info for those of us who have spent wasted days and wasted nights in other corners of the gun hobby. Thanks.
 
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well, there's good inty on how to put a bipod on in the stickies- myself, i went with drilling the front rivet out of the sling swivel, putting in a sling swivel stud, t-nut, and then trim off the excess and make sure it doesn't hang up on the oprod- i also went with a HARRIS bipod, out of personal preference
DO NOT USE THE DRAIN HOLE- even if you are tempted- it's SECONDARY function is a gas vent, and if you plug that, and have a head rupture, you will lose your mag and crack your stock-
 
We're on the same page now t-star. I read that rivet lesson in the stickies awhile back. I have several bipods and plan to do exactly what you prescibe. Good shooting.
 
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