Totally NS 104 year old Win 94

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Just got a 100 year old Win 94. It will not eject a live round on the first try but will do it on the second. It can eject an empty case on the first try though.
Do I need to replace the extractor or re-bend it?

Update 19.11.2012 : bore is fine but the rifle works like "The rifleman's" in that is fires upon closing the lever if done hard enough. As for the cartridge lifter I have been told I am not working it firm enough. So there are worn parts as the trigger is a sharpshooters dream at a couple of ounces!. The half-#### does work well, however.
I'd still like a knowledgeable person to look at it though.
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When it won't extract/eject a live round, are you sure the action is completely closed? The extractor needs to have the action completely closed in order to grab the rim.
 
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Iceman2, This could be the problem. Maybe the lever is not able to push the bolt fully closed on the first stroke or it is unable to fully seat because something is worn or loose.
Anyone near Hamilton with a knowledge of these rifles that can take a look at it for me?
 
I'd give it a good cleaning. A 100 years worth of dirt and build up is likely the problem. Do that first, you might be surprised how smooth the clean the action will operate.
 
The rifle has been cleaned but the problem persists. Here is what is happening:

When the lever is pushed forward it may or may not raise the cartridge guide. Great force must be used. After the lever is fully forward it meets resistance. When pushed through this bit of resistance then the guide pops upwards. This does not seem normal to me. My 1971 94 that I had years ago did not have this two-stage lever resistance.
What can the matter be?

Worn or missing Cartridge Stop?
Missing or incorrectly positioned screws?
Broken Cartridge Guide Rail?
The fellow who sold it to me said it was in working condition.
 
kamlooky said:
Screws all tight?
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Yes. But if feels as if there is something in the way of the lifter or cartridge guide whatever the correct term is. The lever stops and feels like that is where it should stop until more pressure is applied and then it feels like it is pushing over something and the guide pops up with great force like a jack-in-the-box.
 
Teapot said:
Yes. But if feels as if there is something in the way of the lifter or cartridge guide whatever the correct term is. The lever stops and feels like that is where it should stop until more pressure is applied and then it feels like it is pushing over something and the guide pops up with great force like a jack-in-the-box.
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Get it to some one who can evaluate what's wrong and quote a price to fix it...

First of all it may need a complete strip down and cleaning... that may fix it...
 
kamlooky said:
Pull the hammer back, then try cranking the lever.
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This works but there is something wrong with it if it needs to be a two stage lever action. My other Winchester did not need this extra attention. There is something wrong with this rifle.
Not only is it not smooth there is a definite obstruction to the lever and bolt movement.
Is there anyone in the Hamilton area who is knowledgeable about these rifles who is willing to help me out with this? I cannot afford the gunsmith costs. This is a Christmas present for my brother-in-law who is set to get his PAL.
Quite frustrating as it is a nice rifle.
 
I tore down my 38-55 for a thorough cleaning and when I re-assembled it it did something along the lines of what you are describing.
IIRC it was a screw applying load in the wrong spot. A careful disassembly may help diagnose the trouble.
Wish I could help more but I'm away at work so I can't even examine the rifle to refresh my memory.
 
Tokguy,

This is what I was thinking too. Someone has disassembled it and incorrectly assembled it. It does feel like a screw is getting in the way. I am not going to take it apart as I know nothing about these Winchesters and fear being unable to get it back together.
 
Not the one I was looking for, but this one will do.
At 4:50, he is removing a screw.
This is the one I think that could be too long and causing you the grief.
If you attempt this, please use more appropiate screw drivers.

http://youtu.be/PjPlLQf73gQ

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Once you have the gun apart check the cartridge guide screws ro make sure they haven't loosen up or someone in the past 104 years didn't get them back in correctly. They are tricky to work on but if not loose leave them be. I have seen them cause problems by being loose or the guides themself being worn .
 
Well I do not want to take this rifle apart. I am hoping that a fellow that goes to Silverdale gun club will be familiar enough with them to see the problem otherwise I'll take it to a smith. A fellow in Mississauga offered to look at it for me but I don't like driving close to the GTA as it is a bit too congested for me. Had a truck accident and no longer like driving.
Incorrectly positioned cartridge guide screws is my guess as one needs to push the lever through a hump of some sort.

Gunsmiths are a bit to expensive and I don't even trust myself to take this thing apart. I am putting it up on the EE. Perhaps there is someone out there who has the wherewithal to fix what ails it or collects these things. For my part I just wanted a cool old Winnie to hunt with. Now I am kicking myself that I didn't get an un-cool newer Winnie to hunt with. However if there was a CGN'r out there familiar with and able to get parts for the Winchester then I believe it just might be worth having this old girl put right. It has the right "look'', that is for sure. It reeks of bygone years.
 
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