TOZ shotguns how do they compare

[Smoothbore]

POS? Seriously, if it crapped out (which I doubt) after 100,000 rounds I would consider it $300.00 well spent.

ARMRUS wasn't "fly-by-night". The owner had health problems and had to close. Without question the finest gun-related service I have ever received was from ARMRUS. Other companies should have taken lessons.

 

[hr]

hey you know whatever it takes to get more people to shoot, whether it be using a TOZ or throwing rocks.... maybe after a while they'll decide to upgrade to something else, but that could be down the road....

as for the TOZ o/u i've seen ones /w well over 200,000 rounds and it works just fine, being an O/U most smiths can work on it quite easily i was told

 

[Tozman]

Before I purchased my Toz-34 about 2 years ago, I read somewhere an article about some Russian shooters having over 100,000 rounds in theirs. Not bad for a gun that was designed as a FIELD shotgun...

Most hunters/shooters will not come close to that number in their lifetime...

Taken in that context, the Toz-34 will perform as good as any o/u that you can name.

Now, if you consider yourself a hard-core sportsman who likes to pulverize clays in fair weather as often as possible, buy yourself a "B" gun, Kreighoff, Perazzi or whatever you like and enjoy the sport. Of course, you are free to express your personal opinion about any firearm but, calling inapropriate names to other people's guns is not the way to go...

I will put an end to my part in this particular thread by saying that I too like and appreciate beautifully finished firearms, nice engraving, perfectly carved walnut stocks with detailed checkering etc. However,when I am discharging heavy field loads from a duck blind at fast flying (and maneuvering) targets in windy and freezing conditions... I would prefer to have my rugged and reliable Toz-34 in my hands.

Have a nice day

 

[m12man]

Hey HR- 200.000 RDS.??? TIME TO WAKE UP, THAT DREAM IS OVER.!!!! You can bull22t some of the people some ofthe time , but you cannot bulls44t all of the people all of the time!!!!!!

 

[hr]

m12man, well that was the round count as told to me by the owner... looking at the age and signs of use of the gun, i would have no reason to doubt him.. if it was a semi i would probably be more reluctant to believe.... but the O/U is quite a solid design i think....

 

[IanC]

Thanks for all the information guys. Didnt think my post would bring such a large following. So from what im reading the TOZ is a great gun for 300 bucks and i will most likely get my value out of it. But If i want to get serious into trap or skeet there are better choices. Well Im on my 3rd trap gun now so mabey its time I move onto that better choice.
Now to figure out that better choice.
Have a good one guys and again many thanks.
IanC

 

[OllBY]

the Soviet olympics team uses TOZ.

Yes, they do. But it isn't TOZ. It's the special guns made in small Central Construction Research Department of TOZ. And cost of these guns above 20-25 000 $.
I owned Toz over and under and semi auto. It's the strong guns but you should know that Russian guns made after 1990 - piece of ... junk.
Regards.

 

[BT]

POS? Seriously, if it crapped out (which I doubt) after 100,000 rounds I would consider it $300.00 well spent.

ARMRUS wasn't "fly-by-night". The owner had health problems and had to close. Without question the finest gun-related service I have ever received was from ARMRUS. Other companies should have taken lessons.

I agree about the service at ARMRUS. Valeri was a good and an enjoyable person to deal with.

Too bad that he went out of business. Now it'll take longer to get my hads on a Rys



BT

 

[Mykhaylo]

Agreed Valeri's service was top shelf, and he offered unique firearms that most other people don't even get to see. I would have loved to get my hands on one of his 'Berkut' rifles in 7.62X54 - would be like a Canada legal Dragunov. m12man - your comments are a fine example of armchair commentary. You don't own the gun, have never dealt with the dealer - but you can call the gun a POS, and the dealer a ripoff artist. You are entitled to your unqualified ignorant opinion....

 

[BT]

To be honest, the reason I didn't buy the TOZ-34 is because I was not satisafied with the quality of the version that Valeri was selling, AND, because I actually went in to buy a LOS-7-1 (which is actually a fine rifle).

That being said, if Valeri would've been selling the higher end versions that Tozman posted pictures of in some of his replies, I would certainly have considered it.

He did have high-end versions of other guns and they were quite the work of art.

To be quite honest, some day I will get myself a high end O/U but I would still like to try out the TOZ-34 version that Valeri was selling just out of curiosity. That and getting myself a Rys U



BT

 

[straightshooter]

I think shotguns are a little like cars... some people will only buy BMW's, some people would rather walk then be seen driving a Suzuki...

I rather like sillymike's comparison of guns and cars. Particularly because, like with cars, with guns you generally get what you pay for. That's not to say that you can't get a deal - or pay too much - but, generally speaking, you get what you pay for.

And, as sillymike also pointed out, people have differing philosophies as to what makes a good buying investment. In fact, some would say that neither cars nor guns are any kind of investment. (personally I think that depends on what cars and what guns you're looking at)

What I'm getting at here is that, for a given purpose, any gun can be the wrong choice. I agree with claybuster that a TOZ isn't the best choice for a clays shooter who expects to shoot hundreds of thousands of targets. And, its certainly not the gun to buy as an investment. But, it might be exactly the right gun for a little target shooting and a little hunting - provided you're not big on resale value.

Beretta offers some excellent choices for target shooters, but they're not investment material either, IMHO. And, you could regret taking them out in the field.

Bottom line: Most everyone who's posted has expressed a legitimate opinion. I don't agree, for example, that you're not entitled to an opinion if you've never owned one - you don't have to make a mistake to recognise one when you see it. However, consider the source. People who've never owned one may not be fully informed. People who currently own one may be dealing with cognitive dissonance (nobody goes around saying 'such and such is a piece of crap and oh, by the way, I own one'). So, I'd have to say both groups are bound to be biased - in opposite directions.

Soliciting other peoples' opinions - great idea. Offering your opinion when asked - also a great idea. Cutting down other people's opinions and choices - not such a good idea, if we want this board to continue.

My 2-bits worth.

SS

 

[Trigun]

Well said StraightShooter, every shooting iron has their won value which is define by its own user. I like high end gun but couldn't afford the green. had used our club member's Beretta and make a 21/25 and 23/25 which I think very good to me, but my Baikel also made 23/25 the best. For some reasons I like shotgun more than rifle and handgun but all my shotgun is inexpensive because i can use them very hard. Buy what you like the most and forget what people think is the best. remember slam the bird is the shooter, not the gun.

Trigun

 

[dangertree]

straight up, straightshooter.

 

[Bobby Ironsights]

This is a tough position for me. I am torn between offending the people who already own the TOZ guns and warning potential purchases from buying these guns.

But when I read statements like this the decision is easy.
They're junk pure and simple. To suggest that they will shoot as well as a Browning or Berretta is laughable.

Buy your Russkie delight if you wish but understand you are getting what you pay for. A crude, poorly manfactured shotgun dumped on the foreign markets.

If you want to shoot trap seriously then the TOZ isn't the gun. TOZ sounds like POS and with good reason.

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Trapshooting and " TOZ" do not mix!! Look for a reliable gun that can withstand high volume shooting!!.

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I'm a little confused!

Are you guys talking about the same gun that the Pan-European industry consumer group thingy decided to award the title of the most reliable pump-action shotgun on the planet today due to it's revolutionary elegant and sophisticated design?

The same gun that the Spetznatz (Russian Special Forces) uses?

The same gun designed by those "stupid" russian scientists that brought out the under water assault rifle? Silent pistol cartridges that hold the gas inside the spent casing? The updated AK that fired two rounds in auto before recoil occurred so they went in the same hole and could chew through body armor...the list goes on....

I wonder if people are still beleiving the old cold-war propaganda about the useless russian goods? The fact is that russia put ALOT more actual resources into small arms research and development than anyone else in the world.


Don't let old prejudice blind you.....Those Commie bastards were some kind of clever....100 percent literacy, Totally Free university education, massive population.....This added up to a gigantic brain trust..

 

[BT]

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I'm a little confused!

Are you guys talking about the same gun that the Pan-European industry consumer group thingy decided to award the title of the most reliable pump-action shotgun on the planet today due to it's revolutionary elegant and sophisticated design?

The same gun that the Spetznatz (Russian Special Forces) uses?

The same gun designed by those "stupid" russian scientists that brought out the under water assault rifle? Silent pistol cartridges that hold the gas inside the spent casing? The updated AK that fired two rounds in auto before recoil occurred so they went in the same hole and could chew through body armor...the list goes on....

I wonder if people are still beleiving the old cold-war propaganda about the useless russian goods? The fact is that russia put ALOT more actual resources into small arms research and development than anyone else in the world.


Don't let old prejudice blind you.....Those Commie bastards were some kind of clever....100 percent literacy, Totally Free university education, massive population.....This added up to a gigantic brain trust..

Well said



BT

 

[Grouse Man]

My one and only experience with a TOZ was that it was hammering my cheek something awful. And it really hammered the owner. And the triggers were very hard, awful actually.

Your 1100 trap special is far better suited to your needs. It shoots very softly; the TOZ doesn't. Try one first, that's the best advise you'll get, before buying one. There is no need to jump quickly from your 1100.