Tracer Loads? anyone have successful ones?

crashcollins said:
You would be underestimating the amount of friction caused by a bullet travelling through the air at 1200FPS! I'm not new! Been around for a little while and was just stating what I have seen in the past. There WAS a article I saw years ago that had a bullet with a cavity in the nose that had a compound loaded into it that when shot ignited from air friction because it was travelling super sonic.
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Wow.

A bullet at 1200fps wouldn't generate enough heat from 'air friction' to burn your finger, let alone light a tracer compound. Every .22LR rifle would be a flamethrower and start grass fires all over the place with regular lead ammo.

Let's deal in reality shall we?
 
crashcollins said:
You would be underestimating the amount of friction caused by a bullet travelling through the air at 1200FPS! I'm not new! Been around for a little while and was just stating what I have seen in the past. There WAS a article I saw years ago that had a bullet with a cavity in the nose that had a compound loaded into it that when shot ignited from air friction because it was travelling super sonic.

If you think you can throw/run around with bullets in your pocket/ect ect at supersonic speeds your wrong. You could however have a point that maybe these rounds were impact sensitive or something and that's why they never caught on! I don't know; I've only ever seen the 1 article about them and that was years ago now.
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Tracers have their cavity at the base of the bullet, not the nose. Then you are talking about a completely different nature of small arms ammunition. Incendiary ammunition has a completely different function than tracer ammunition. Does anyone have a more "reliable" reference than that wiki article?

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This is the .50 cal AP Incendiary Tracer M20 from World War 2, notice the location of the Incendiary Composition & the Tracer and Igniter Composition. Also note the complete metal jacket covering the projectile.
 
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GUYS! I am only stating what I read in a article online from what I think was a niche manufacturer! I read it with my own eyes! No I was not mixing up standard tracer with the one I'm talking about. No I did not mistake the paintedtip for the tracer compound. I was quite intrigued by these tracers but figured with the tracer compound on the nose of the bullet they might not be as visible and as easy to track as standard tracer.

YES! I wish I could find the article but it was a number of years ago now. If the concept took off I would think I could find some info about them now but I can't! Maybe it was just a bad idea, too expensive or too dangerous! Whatever I can't find it now.

canuklehead; these tracers did not need to ignite grass or the like! They were designed to IGNITE A TRACER COMPOUND WHEN FIRED FROM A GUN AT SUPERSONIC SPEEDS!(Not make a standard bullet burn! lets be real here!) How much heat is generated from air friction? I don't know but if you have ever picked up a fresh fired bullet it's hot! How much from air friction and how much from barrel friction I don't know.

The only thing I know is that some company in the US made tracer ammunition that had the tracer compound in the nose and was ignited by air friction from supersonic speeds! Like I said before maybe it was a bad idea somehow that never caught on; I don't know I was only trying to add to the conversation here about tracers.
 
In the recent research I have done, I will acknowledge that the British during WW1 used white phosphorous in Small Arms Ammunition used as Anti-Zepplin (sp?) rounds. Source: (British) Textbook of Ammunition 1936, Page 45. Unfortunately, I was unable to find any diagrams of such ammunition.

Given the requirement by the military to have ammunition and explosives in storage that are extemely stable during long term storage, regulations regarding the storage of Red & White Phosphorus are quite detailed and require separate storage from other explosive stores. Therefore it is easily understandable that SAA that contained phosphorus last existed during WW1.
 
Illegal to sell, because they haven't been tested and approved by NRCAN. If they have been tested and approved, then they're fine to be imported and sold. But even if they are not approved for sale, they are not illegal to own.
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NRCAN and the explosive regs (respectfully) disagree with you. ;)

This comes up on a near weekly basis, and while I don't have the time to look for the thread, someone last week even contacted NRCAN and had them clarify that they are in fact 'not aproved' and therefore 'illegal' to sell, give, possess, trade, re-gift, etc.

Does anyone in law enforcement seem to care? It appears not, because I have never heard of a single person being charged and nor does anyone I know.

That being said, they are still illegal, and if someone actually cared enough to charge you, you can be charged for each individual tracer. I believe the offcial fine is $250,000/offence and a year (?) in the can for summary conviction and double that for indictable.
 
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