Tracking down pistols for ATC

terez said:
Indigenous persons are specifically spelled out in the prohib rifle ban to be able to continue to hunt with said rifles.....this is a fact
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Some misunderstanding I think. Natives are mentioned in the amnesty order, not "the prohib rifle ban". A subsistence hunter is not indigenous by definition and all subsistence hunters are allowed to use their rifles to hunt, assuming they could legally do so before. There is no Indigenous only exemption. That is the only thing even remotely close to whatever nonsense rumor or misinformation you are trying to perpetuate.
 
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Here is a definition, from canlii, to hopefully stop any further nonsense replies from people that can't Google stuff. The RCMP have also clarified if you can trust them.


Subsistence hunting licence — eligibility

39(1) A person is eligible to obtain or hold a subsistence hunting licence if and only if

(a) he is a resident, and

(b) the Minister is satisfied that he is in dire need of sustenance for any of his family members, including his adult interdependent partner.

(2) Repealed AR 234/2007 s2.

Subsistence hunting licence — entitlements

40(1) A subsistence hunting licence authorizes its holder, if any of his family members, including an adult interdependent partner, is in dire need of sustenance, to hunt the kind or kinds of animal, from among moose, elk and deer, and in the number, during the period and in the area, specified in the licence.

(2) The period referred to in subsection (1) may, if the licence so specifies, be outside or notwithstanding the lack of an open season.
 
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Twisted Canuck said:
Well then, you need something like this...a 629-3 or an Anaconda in .44 magnum. Gonna be really expensive though...

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Not picking up one of those 629-3 variants is definitely a regret of mine.

I see Colt has also starting making the Anaconda with a 4.25" which would work well. Sadly it came out just after the ban.
 
iirc the 2020 oic made specific mention of FN folks ability to continue hunting w the recently prohib rifles (m305, etc. that had previously been NR). at the root of it is the fact that there is no right to bear arms in canada, just the right to have stuff. if the man decides that your stuff is dangerous (right or wrong) there is lots of case law allowing him to take it away from you in the name of public safety and the greater good yada yada. however, the Indian Act specifically guarantees FN people the right to hunt so taking away their guns is de facto breaking the law by denying them that right. hence the exemption, and also the extension of that exemption to sustenance hunters of any persuasion.

of course, i still haven't figured out how you can take the gun to the range to sight it in, or to the smith to get it fixed, so sort of a useless exemption ...

sorry for hijack, now off to do some research on how to become a professional trapper.
 
rgv said:
The system allows you to include a firearm not registered to you, to account for employer owned firearms presumably.

Assuming one did not own a suitable gun or hold an atc, you would talk someone into agreeing to let you list one of theirs on your application, then once approved, move to acquire your own.
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That is not a option. I don't see what the point is, You must get approved , them you can have a dealer bring in a gun that suites the purpose.
No way in hell some one is going to list one of mine on their application. Maybe when I still was dealing if I wanted to sell.
BTW , You don't own the gun , the company does, so you will not be taking it anywhere other then carry on the job.
 
the radium king said:
iirc
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If you can comprehend the relevant information it's anyone who hunts to feed themselves. Naming natives is redundant and changes nothing about the fact everyone hunting to feed themselves are as welcome to do the same.

From the RCMP website.

"Exceptions are included under the Amnesty Order to allow for the continued use of firearms and/or devices that were prohibited on May 1, 2020 (if previously non-restricted) by individuals who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families, and by Indigenous persons exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt."

There is no exemption they enjoy that you do not assuming you do any of the above. Stop with the jealous BS.
 
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right, at least you are reading the stuff now and acknowledge that First Nations are mentioned (pro tip: section 35 of the constitution is about aboriginal rights) which is different than your previous posts (although you've been going back and editing them so it's hard to keep track).

next - comprehension - there is a difference between a "right to hunt" and "hunting to sustain yourself". otherwise they would not have worded it as they did. while the oic lacks clarity in many places, consensus is that hunting to sustain yourself means you get the majority of your food from hunting. don't agree? then the test is in court if you get caught.

ps, i'm not jealous, perhaps reread my previous post. as a FN person i learned the rules and continued to use my m305 after the ban, but was never certain what side of the law i was on when i went to the range with it. and when my ####ty chinesium bolt exploded i had no idea how to go about getting it repaired. so now it is a stripped receiver waiting for the buyback.
 
Tossing around " jealous/misinformed and reading comprehension" jabs are inaccurate and cheap shots.

Indigenous exemption from the initial prohibition "amnesty" order was a reality...decreed by the crown and a fact.....further singling out subsistence hunters from any other hunting is also the reality.
As I clearly stated this is a special consideration for a racial group and a group largely comprised of indigenous persons....simply fact.....and a reality....labeling me uniformed/racist/comprehension challenged and jealous for calling out our government for this politically biased behaviour is silly

Divide and conquer.....and your falling in line nicely
 
And for the record....I am firmly against awarding special consideration/exemption to any distinguishable group based on political bias/class etc.....jealousy and or indigenous bias has no bearing here for me.

This has everything to do with the incompetent/immoral actions of our government in creating/applying firearms law......clearly the motive is not public safety....exempting certain large groups demonstrates this.

I am as firmly opposed to IPSC shooters being exempted from a pistol ban...or Olympians.... as I am to indigenous persons from a rifle ban
It is cowardly in not wanting to lose votes...it is a divide and conquer tactic so there is less of a united front of pushback/non compliance...and it is wrong in principle and insult to those citizens excluded.
 
brapjack said:
Hello,

I am looking to purchase a pistol for wilderness carry and am having a well of a time finding dealers who still sell pistols...The market is kind of dead....Does anyone have a lead?...Or a 10mm pistol they wanna part with....not sure how I am going to do this...RDSC said they could order me a G20, for 3-5k....:kickInTheNuts:
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North Sylva still has some Glocks in-stock.
 
marshall said:
That is not a option. I don't see what the point is, You must get approved , them you can have a dealer bring in a gun that suites the purpose.
No way in hell some one is going to list one of mine on their application. Maybe when I still was dealing if I wanted to sell.
BTW , You don't own the gun , the company does, so you will not be taking it anywhere other then carry on the job.
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I own the company.
 
If any ATC candidates want my Ruger SRH, .454 Casull, with two holsters (1 Mernickle horse hide flap and 1 Uncle Mike shoulder rig), two speedloaders and double speedloader carrier, let me know. As long as the transfer/sale is legal, I don't need it in retirement and never shoot it.
 
Butcherbill said:
If you have an existing atc or are an Olympic level shooter you should be able to buy new handguns, or so the new regs say. I don’t think anyone including the provincial cfo’s know how this will exactly (allowing new purchases to be registered) go as it’s all new and is approached on an individual basis, no clue how applying for an atc will go if you don’t already have a suitable caliber gun registered to you. There is a section in the application if your employer will be providing the gun, I don’t know if the cfo will accept someone saying they will attempt to buy if they are successful in receiving the atc.
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You don't have to be "Olympic level" -- the requirement is to be "training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee". That includes several 22LR "disciplines". It's possible to compete locally in those "disciplines" in clubs across Canada.
 
geologist said:
If any ATC candidates want my Ruger SRH, .454 Casull, with two holsters (1 Mernickle horse hide flap and 1 Uncle Mike shoulder rig), two speedloaders and double speedloader carrier, let me know. As long as the transfer/sale is legal, I don't need it in retirement and never shoot it.
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Wow, that is very generous.
 
geologist said:
If any ATC candidates want my Ruger SRH, .454 Casull, with two holsters (1 Mernickle horse hide flap and 1 Uncle Mike shoulder rig), two speedloaders and double speedloader carrier, let me know. As long as the transfer/sale is legal, I don't need it in retirement and never shoot it.
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Lets stay in touch, thats a pretty knarly pistol. If i cant find a G20 i may take you up on that.
 
Painkillers said:
Laugh2
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I let a big, young Abbotsford LEO shoot it at ridgedale. He and his partner were great and let the kids I was teaching shoot their HK assault rifles and short barrel pistols.

I loaded 6 full house 300 gr .454s in it. normally when I do that, guys shoot ONE round and then hand it back to me with a "No thanks!". This young guy fired all six, double action!!!!!!!!!!

His partner said "No thanks."........
 
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