***TrackingPoint rifle***...A New 'Smart Rifle' Decides When To Shoot And Rarely Miss
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Mystic Precision
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Come on Jerry, it'll still beat the people that don't know what their come-ups are.
Mystic Precision
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At least they can change their scope easily and quickly.
Can't say that for the trackpoint. for those that shoot LR and understanding what the actual needs are to hit at distance, there are a number of limitations of the trackpoint making the system kind of silly.
BUT it fits its intended audience. Gamers with a lot of money that want someone or something to tell them what to do.
The irony, for the system to function, the user has to have a significant level of LR shooting experience. At which point, he will dread all the nanny features which limit his ability to actually do what is required.
Lots of thread on this product all over the place. I haven't read too many that were complementary.
Jerry
Can't say that for the trackpoint. for those that shoot LR and understanding what the actual needs are to hit at distance, there are a number of limitations of the trackpoint making the system kind of silly.
BUT it fits its intended audience. Gamers with a lot of money that want someone or something to tell them what to do.
The irony, for the system to function, the user has to have a significant level of LR shooting experience. At which point, he will dread all the nanny features which limit his ability to actually do what is required.
Lots of thread on this product all over the place. I haven't read too many that were complementary.
Jerry
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- Victoria, BC (temporarily Toronto)
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...REPORT-Trackingpoint-Precision-Guided-Firearm
I have fired it first-hand in .338 Lapua. Fun (all guns are) but has some limitations.
The only actual relevant customers are high end hunting lodges that host millionaire businessmen who don't want to spend the time and effort to learn to shoot well but are more than willing to spend the money to make the short cut.
Plus it can record video of the shot through the scope and relay it to a tablet so they can brag to their executive buddies when they get back to the office.
I hit a 1000x target twice with two shots in 20-25mph gusting crosswinds. The system is impressive but it is also costly and requires further shooter input. However in the hands of a guide who can make those inputs for you, the rich businessman simply has to tag the target and fire.
I have fired it first-hand in .338 Lapua. Fun (all guns are) but has some limitations.
The only actual relevant customers are high end hunting lodges that host millionaire businessmen who don't want to spend the time and effort to learn to shoot well but are more than willing to spend the money to make the short cut.
Plus it can record video of the shot through the scope and relay it to a tablet so they can brag to their executive buddies when they get back to the office.
I hit a 1000x target twice with two shots in 20-25mph gusting crosswinds. The system is impressive but it is also costly and requires further shooter input. However in the hands of a guide who can make those inputs for you, the rich businessman simply has to tag the target and fire.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
How does the rifle account for flinching or pulled shots?
Even if the scope actually did figure out the entire LR firing solution (which it can't), the user is still required to send the bullet downrange.
How does a guide help a non shooter let the rifle discharge in a manner that the bullet has a chance of following the desired path?
Jerry
Even if the scope actually did figure out the entire LR firing solution (which it can't), the user is still required to send the bullet downrange.
How does a guide help a non shooter let the rifle discharge in a manner that the bullet has a chance of following the desired path?
Jerry
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- Victoria, BC (temporarily Toronto)
It accounts for flinching and pulling easily. The shooter already has the trigger depressed and then moves the reticle over the target, once the computer has the reticle and firing point aligned it fires automatically. There is no traditional trigger pull for the shooter to flich with or pull. The rifle only fires when everything is aligned perfectly.
It guides a non shooter in such a manner that the bullet can ONLY follow the desired path. It is safer than a regular rifle in that way that the rifle will not fire unless the target has been previously tagged and that the tag and reticle align after the firing solution has been made. By that means though it is equally unsafe because it leads the shooter to rely more on the technology making them safe rather than their own brains.
Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
All the basics of position, grip, and follow through still exists regardless of what a computer might say. The scope can only monitor reticle relative to tagged target. It does nothing to monitor HOW the rifle is actually handled.
More often then not, the demo rifles are on Harris bipods which would make things even harder to be precise. I bet anyone who has actually used a Harris would say that it is far from a no brainer process.
I have read that you can move the reticle through the tagged target and it will ignite the rd just as they pass... Sure but trap shooting is not an ideal technique for precision shooting.
Maybe it can help a shooter hit a large target at reasonable ranges. I just don't see it helping a non shooter be precise. The mechanics wouldn't allow it.
A recent article in a hunting magazine was pretty enlightening about the nuances of this set up. I have no idea on the experience of this author but he most certainly had issues engaging very large targets at what I would consider, close to mid range.
The targets were 2ft wide gongs. not exactly a pin point target when engagement distances were 400yds or so.
But then it boils down to what is the perception of acceptable performance. If minute of large boulder is good enough, I bet this and many other systems will work just fine. If the hope is to have sub MOA performance at LR, I think there is a heck of a lot more involved in the process from a shoulder fired boomer rifle then lining up a couple of markers on an iPhone.
And that person adding in the effective wind drift data into the computer, better be pretty darn good. Hundreds of competitive LR shooters have a hard time on ranges with wind flags and known distance targets. Not sure how a wind speed from a wind meter at one location can account for it all.
YMMV
Jerry
More often then not, the demo rifles are on Harris bipods which would make things even harder to be precise. I bet anyone who has actually used a Harris would say that it is far from a no brainer process.
I have read that you can move the reticle through the tagged target and it will ignite the rd just as they pass... Sure but trap shooting is not an ideal technique for precision shooting.
Maybe it can help a shooter hit a large target at reasonable ranges. I just don't see it helping a non shooter be precise. The mechanics wouldn't allow it.
A recent article in a hunting magazine was pretty enlightening about the nuances of this set up. I have no idea on the experience of this author but he most certainly had issues engaging very large targets at what I would consider, close to mid range.
The targets were 2ft wide gongs. not exactly a pin point target when engagement distances were 400yds or so.
But then it boils down to what is the perception of acceptable performance. If minute of large boulder is good enough, I bet this and many other systems will work just fine. If the hope is to have sub MOA performance at LR, I think there is a heck of a lot more involved in the process from a shoulder fired boomer rifle then lining up a couple of markers on an iPhone.
And that person adding in the effective wind drift data into the computer, better be pretty darn good. Hundreds of competitive LR shooters have a hard time on ranges with wind flags and known distance targets. Not sure how a wind speed from a wind meter at one location can account for it all.
YMMV
Jerry
Thats probably the one area that it does better at.
In the threat that Cerikson linked above (Media Day prior to SHOT last Jan) I posted that it was BLOODY COLD and that I was shivering badly. But the gun released the hot at exactly the right moment and I gonged at close to 1000 yards.
Under the circumstances, I doubt I could have otherwise.
Having said that, I still think its a $20,000 gimmick.
I see this filling a a spot with military and LE, its ability to record what the scope sees and the tracking dot are useful. Commanding officers will have the abilty to see things in real time, and of course use the recording for court cases, future intel gathering. It could also be said it elimnates some of the "high stress" but this will have see some feild time before that can be shown.
I totally agree its a gimmick. How do you enter in the wind if there is a cross wind or the wind speed is different between you and the target. you still have to know how to read and calculate windage.
I totally agree its a gimmick. How do you enter in the wind if there is a cross wind or the wind speed is different between you and the target. you still have to know how to read and calculate windage.
