Tradex has a large selection of Schultz and Larson .22s again...

My second rifle arrived from TradeEx today and the picture showed a very plain stock. The side not shown in the pictures turned out to have some very nice tiger striping. There are some spots on the receiver that look like something dripped on it that totally removed the blue that wasn't in the description. There's a couple rust spots I wanted to touch up with cold blue so it's not really a big deal. There is also an oversized plastic bolt knob that is quite nice. Time to extend the stock 4" and bring it in to get drilled and tapped.

K0na_stinky said:
I bought 2 of the ones with 11" LOP for my girlfriend. My plan is to make new adjustable LOP hardware. The LOP hard where that mine came with is super hill billy deluxe.
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I was looking at adjustable LOP inserts and mechanisms (as well as comb height adjusters) but since I'm building this rifle for myself it'll be a lot cheaper to just extend the wood to fit me. I do remember seeing some on TradeEx that looked very crude; I guess you have one of those.
 
Hitzy said:
No ejector on these, just extractor.... Pluck spent case out with your fingers.
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No big deal then with that kind of rifle.
I had a drulov single shot pistol with a bolt face that looked real close to this one. I figured the case should eject.

Just removed the crappy varnish on it. It quite a nice piece of wood it'll look awesome.

Still wondering if I'll refinish the metal (I can parkerize...)
 
Finished my stock and got the action back from the gunsmith drilled and tapped. Wanted to share :D

I call her; "can'taffordananschutz"

The walnut I had on hand was too dark but I figured it isn't a collectors piece anyway. I couldn't find my rasps so just used a spoke shave and files to shape the stock. It's dimensionally blended well; if you painted the stock, you wouldn't be able to tell it was two pieces. There are two 3/8" dowels between the two parts. That stock was pretty damn short when I got it. I extended the 10" LOP to 14.5" since I'm a big guy (6'3"). My other S&L in original configuration has a 13.5" LOP I believe.




I tried shellac for a finish out of curiosity and it went bad, quick. The third layer started to peel the previous layers even though I was using long, quick brush strokes to try to prevent that. I sanded down the ripples (not to bare wood), checked to make sure tung oil was okay to use over shellac, and just finished it with two coats of tung oil.

The (scratched up) scope is a CenterPoint 4-16x56mm I used to have on a 308. CenterPoint is one of the brands under Crosman I believe and you'll often see these scopes for pellet guns but this one held up to 308 recoil for a few hundred shots without flinching before I upgraded scopes. The rear diopter sight will clear the scope bases if I remove the scope as well.

I haven't had it out to shoot yet (was just put together an hour ago) but hopefully I can find time tomorrow or Saturday to try her out.
 
LUTNIT What did you use for scope bases?

You most definitely work faster then I do. I haven't started my new LOP hardware.

She looks great. Its really tough to make it look perfect when its missing that much of the stock!
 
I talked to my local gunsmith (Jason Spencer at Gun Co in Ottawa) and said I didn't know what size to buy. He said he'd have something that would fit. He installed the weaver bases for me; they have "15" stamped on them, that's all I know.
I had a couple weeks off in between a course I took and a new job so I had a lot of spare time to work on it. I was also somewhat excited to finish it so I could try it out so that worked as motivation.

I had originally thought of using a contrasting wood or maybe a vertical laminate to create a neat effect but decided to just keep it simple. Having the grain going perpendicular would also make carving a lot more difficult. As I mentioned earlier I did look into premade adjustable components as well as making my own but since I figured I'm building this rifle for myself, I'll just make it dimensioned for me.
 
Had some time to print some groups today !
That trigger is light, took some getting used to.

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1st try (cheap Remington)
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2nd (cheap Remington)
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3rd (CCI Blazer) #### that flyer lol
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4th @ 50yards (Winchester 555 bulk)
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Aaaaaand my rifle shoots like crap. Every type of ammo I tried shot 1/2" to 3/4" groups at 50 yards with a 16x scope from front and rear rests with ideal conditions (18'C, sunny, almost no wind).
RWS Club, Target Rifle, and Rifle Match, Eley Club and Practice, SK Standard Plus and Rifle Match, and Lapua Center-X.
Most shot 3 of 5 shots into a ragged hole but every group had 1-2 fliers that really opened it up. I think I'm going to try to free float the barrel (at least partially) and try again on Saturday. I was thinking of relieving the stock around the barrel so it only contacts at the front spot where it's screwed in and of course on the receiver.
If that doesn't work, maybe get it bedded.
 
LUTNIT said:
Aaaaaand my rifle shoots like crap. Every type of ammo I tried shot 1/2" to 3/4" groups at 50 yards with a 16x scope from front and rear rests with ideal conditions (18'C, sunny, almost no wind).
RWS Club, Target Rifle, and Rifle Match, Eley Club and Practice, SK Standard Plus and Rifle Match, and Lapua Center-X.
Most shot 3 of 5 shots into a ragged hole but every group had 1-2 fliers that really opened it up. I think I'm going to try to free float the barrel (at least partially) and try again on Saturday. I was thinking of relieving the stock around the barrel so it only contacts at the front spot where it's screwed in and of course on the receiver.
If that doesn't work, maybe get it bedded.
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Mine shot the above group with a tire jack front rest with a cheap leather rear bag.
Mine isn't bedded and barrel is touching the wood all over the place.

Parallax is funny sometimes at close distance. I hate my Prostaff 3-9x40 on my Savage, anything closer then 75yards and for some reason the crosshair and target aren't on the same focus plane. (maybe that was the problem with the 16x ?)
1/2 at 50yards is good IMO.
 
I know they were designed to be touching the wood all along their length; both of mine did when I got them (this one I had D&T'ed and my first one I kept original). The issue is I shot this group with the diopter sights so I was expecting better with a scope:

That's 15 shots of Eley Practice ammo at 50 yards off of a bench.

Of course it's a different rifle and may have other idiosyncrasies that I need to worry about. I guess I should have had the known accurate rifle D&T'ed instead of an unknown second rifle.
I know about parallax but this is a proven scope I've had on another rifle. It has a parallax adjustment knob on the side and focus' perfectly at 50 yards.

I just got back in from my garage and have free floated the barrel. The stud the forward bolt goes into on the barrel sits in the bottom of the hole but the barrel is free floated everywhere else from the front of the receiver to the end of the stock. I'll take it back out again Saturday and see if it does any better.
 
LUTNIT said:
I know they were designed to be touching the wood all along their length; both of mine did when I got them (this one I had D&T'ed and my first one I kept original). The issue is I shot this group with the diopter sights so I was expecting better with a scope:
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That's 15 shots of Eley Practice ammo at 50 yards off of a bench.

Of course it's a different rifle and may have other idiosyncrasies that I need to worry about. I guess I should have had the known accurate rifle D&T'ed instead of an unknown second rifle.
I know about parallax but this is a proven scope I've had on another rifle. It has a parallax adjustment knob on the side and focus' perfectly at 50 yards.

I just got back in from my garage and have free floated the barrel. The stud the forward bolt goes into on the barrel sits in the bottom of the hole but the barrel is free floated everywhere else from the front of the receiver to the end of the stock. I'll take it back out again Saturday and see if it does any better.
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Bad days happen also.
You've just put my groups to shame. Will bed mine and try again.
 
Megaclocker said:
Bad days happen also.
You've just put my groups to shame. Will bed mine and try again.
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In all honesty, if you are getting around 1" with the bulk Win 555 packs I'd say it's more the ammo than your shooting. That stuff can barely hold 3/4" on a good day with a scoped rifle for me. I'd try to pickup some better ammo and try again. Federal Gold Medal, CCI Green Tag, or almost anything by Eley, RWS, SK, Norma, or Lapua. You can probably take a good deal off your groups (at least eliminate some of those flyers) with better ammo.

You're right, I should have brought my known good shooting rifle (a Winchester Wildcat/TOZ-78) to make sure it wasn't me having a bad day. Oh well, will try again Saturday regardless.
 
LUTNIT said:
I know they were designed to be touching the wood all along their length; both of mine did when I got them (this one I had D&T'ed and my first one I kept original). The issue is I shot this group with the diopter sights so I was expecting better with a scope:
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A scope won't make your rifle more accurate or make you a better shooter.... All it does is let you see the target clearly. I think consistent 1/2" groups at 50m is about as good as it gets.... I wouldn't have higher expectations then that.
 
LUTNIT said:
In all honesty, if you are getting around 1" with the bulk Win 555 packs I'd say it's more the ammo than your shooting. That stuff can barely hold 3/4" on a good day with a scoped rifle for me. I'd try to pickup some better ammo and try again. Federal Gold Medal, CCI Green Tag, or almost anything by Eley, RWS, SK, Norma, or Lapua. You can probably take a good deal off your groups (at least eliminate some of those flyers) with better ammo.

You're right, I should have brought my known good shooting rifle (a Winchester Wildcat/TOZ-78) to make sure it wasn't me having a bad day. Oh well, will try again Saturday regardless.
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I've never had any luck just switching back and forth between ammo types. I find it normally takes a box of 50 for things to settle in. I typically will shoot a whole brick over a few outings to get a feel for how an ammo shoots.

Maybe that's causing your some grief?
 
Hitzy said:
A scope won't make your rifle more accurate or make you a better shooter.... All it does is let you see the target clearly. I think consistent 1/2" groups at 50m is about as good as it gets.... I wouldn't have higher expectations then that.
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A scope lets you take much better advantage of the rifles accuracy. The fact that the rifle, once scoped, could put 3 rounds into a ragged hole (under 1/4" centre to centre) but had 1-2 flyers for every group told me the rifle is capable of a lot better than 1/2" accuracy. I shot some 10-shot groups as well and still had 2-3 flyers but most of the rounds landed within 1/4" of each other. It didn't feel like I caused the flyers and the ammo is very good with normally no flyers so I would guess it was the rifle. Maybe it was me though, who knows. I haven't shot the rifle enough to be sure.

I shot a .20" followed by a .15" last Sunday with my Wildcat/TOZ-78 with 3-9x40 scope and Lapua Center-X ammo. I've got various groups from .25" to .70" as well. I can't even see that without optics. I can barely see .72" holes from 12ga slugs at 50 yards with my naked eyes (well, glasses, but no magnification). It's impossible for my to have shot those groups without a scope.

K0na_stinky said:
I've never had any luck just switching back and forth between ammo types. I find it normally takes a box of 50 for things to settle in. I typically will shoot a whole brick over a few outings to get a feel for how an ammo shoots.

Maybe that's causing your some grief?
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It's possible. I shot 100rnds of CCI Standard Velocity near the end of the day just to see if it would start to get gummed up with the wax/lube on them. The groups started to get better the more of it I shot. Started a little better than 1" and by the end they were fairly consistently a little above 1/2". Maybe I just need to let the rifle get fouled with one type of ammo some more. I've heard from competition guys that some rimfire rifles take 40+ rounds of fouling before they shoot well.
 
Weigh your ammo and separate it like that.
Also use a target like this where your groups are above your POA so you have a consistent sight picture.
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I've tried ammo weight sorting as well as rim thickness sorting and both at the same time. It turned cheap bulk 2 MoA ammo into, at best 1 MoA ammo but mostly 1.5 MoA ammo. It mostly just got rid of the flyers; the ammo still grouped like cheap bulk ammo. I prefer to just buy premium target ammo that doesn't need to be sorted (Eley, RWS, SK, Norma, Lapua, etc.). I've found that almost all US made ammo, no matter how it's labelled ("target", "match", "competition", etc.) doesn't compare to decent European ammo.

I normally just sight my scopes to shoot about 1/2" to 1" high at 50 yards. One of the main targets I use are 2" tall diamonds and I sight so that if I aim for the bottom point of the diamond, the bullets impact in the centre of them.
 
I will revive an old thread...

Did some work on my M77 !

Stripped the stock and added a rail in the forend. I need to fit the end of the rail with the stock.
I steamed most of the dings, it will only need a light sanding before dye and oil finish.

I also ordered a quick detach sling swivel with the cup base. I will inlet the cup base in the buttstock instead of the fixed sling swivel.







 
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