Transfer Notification paperwork ok to travel with? Conflicting opinions...

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So when you purchase a restricted firearm you will receive a "transfer notification" piece of paper with the firearm which has your new registration certificate number on it as well as the firearm serial number.

It could be another month or more before you receive the actual registration from the cfo.

So here is where I have the issue. I have been told by numerous gun shops that it's ok to transport your firearm to the range with just the transfer notification and that you don't need to wait for the registration in the mail from the cfo. Since the transfer notification is "proof" that the transfer is complete and has the registration number on it.

So I've also called the cfo 3 times and talked to 3 different people and every one of them say you can NOT transport your restricted firearms anywhere until you receive the registration in the mail from the cfo.

So obviously I am taking the cfo's word for it and not transporting any restricted firearms without the registration.

I just don't think that makes any sense, once you have the firearm, and the transfer notification, you then have the registration number so everything should be legal. It makes no difference whether you have an arbitrary piece of paper or not. The firearm is still registered to you either way. And the same transport conditions still apply.

What's your take on all this BS?
 
Wogger said:
What's your take on all this BS?
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That it is BS.
In this day and age everything is on computers and LEOs can look it all up with a few key strokes (from RCMP friend) what difference does it make if we have a stupid piece of paper.
Our ATTs are all electronically why can't our regs be?
 
What I'd like to know is how many people have actually ever been stopped and asked to show their registration certificate for a restricted firearm while travelling to or from a range?
 
Wogger said:
What's your take on all this BS?
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My take is call them back and ask them if you can pick up your firearm and drive it home with just the transfer notice. After they say yes, ask them if you can take your gun to the range with just the transfer notice. When they say no, ask them where in the CC, FA, or regulations a distinction is made between documentation required to transport a firearm from your house to the range and back, and documentation required to transport a firearm from the store to your house.

After they hum and haw for a while say thank you, hang up, go to the range, have fun. :)
 
sailor723 said:
What I'd like to know is how many people have actually ever been stopped and asked to show their registration certificate for a restricted firearm while travelling to or from a range?
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probably very rarely but do you want to be the guy it happens to ?
 
Pocisk said:
My take is call them back and ask them if you can pick up your firearm and drive it home with just the transfer notice. After they say yes, ask them if you can take your gun to the range with just the transfer notice. When they say no, ask them where in the CC, FA, or regulations a distinction is made between documentation required to transport a firearm from your house to the range and back, and documentation required to transport a firearm from the store to your house.

After they hum and haw for a while say thank you, hang up, go to the range, have fun. :)
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I might just do that actually. I'd love to hear their bull#### answer to that question.
 
The CFO is correct, you need to show your Registration when asked. If you are not in possession of it, expect a criminal charge.

See this: Q2. What is the difference between licensing and registration?

A2. Licensing and registration under the Firearms Act can be compared to a driver's licence and the registration of a vehicle. A firearms licence shows that the licence holder has met certain public-safety criteria and is allowed to possess and use firearms. A registration certificate, required for restricted and prohibited firearms, identifies a firearm and links the firearm to its owner to provide a means of tracking the firearm.
 
You don't get arrested for not having your reg. Your firearm MIGHT be seized until you can produce said paper. MIGHT. As in: if you tell the cop he's a "pig" and an "arsehole" and that you have "writes!"... Expect to have to go get your guns back once you have the reg paper... No charges involved if the gun is indeed yours...
 
Here is a Q for you all....

If I were to buy and sell the same gun 5 times. Would the original CERT suffice?

And yes, the requirement to produce the CERT is BS. A NOT gets me home from a dealer, why not to the range and back?

The NOT actually has more useful information on it than the CERT!

M
 
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Wester said:
The CFO is correct, you need to show your Registration when asked. If you are not in possession of it, expect a criminal charge.

See this: Q2. What is the difference between licensing and registration?

A2. Licensing and registration under the Firearms Act can be compared to a driver's licence and the registration of a vehicle. A firearms licence shows that the licence holder has met certain public-safety criteria and is allowed to possess and use firearms. A registration certificate, required for restricted and prohibited firearms, identifies a firearm and links the firearm to its owner to provide a means of tracking the firearm.
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No criminal charge for not having your paper copy of a reg cert on you.
 
If you are going to use the CFO as your defense when you get stopped, you'd better get that in writing.

IMHO, it doesn't take a month to get the reg, well in Ontario anyway it takes about 7-10 days after receiving the firearm that the registration is mailed to you.

I'd go on the cautious side and not use the transfer paper as registration. Just wait for the paperwork to come in.
 
You guys are still confusing the law with the old LATT condtions

The old LATT had a condition that you had to have the reg cert in your possession.

As Gatehouse a few others have posted there is no offense for not having a reg cert in your possession. End of story.

As long as you are the holder of the reg cert for that firearm you are good to go. Literally all that can happen is if you are asked to produce and can not, they "MAY", not will, seize the firearm until it is produced.

Shawn
 
roadcarver said:
If you are going to use the CFO as your defense when you get stopped, you'd better get that in writing.

IMHO, it doesn't take a month to get the reg, well in Ontario anyway it takes about 7-10 days after receiving the firearm that the registration is mailed to you.

I'd go on the cautious side and not use the transfer paper as registration. Just wait for the paperwork to come in.
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Oh I do use the cfo's advise, I never go to the range with a restricted until I have the registration. I have no intention of flipping a coin with our legal system.

And you must be lucky because I've waited over a month a few times...
 
shawn said:
You guys are still confusing the law with the old LATT condtions

The old LATT had a condition that you had to have the reg cert in your possession.

As Gatehouse a few others have posted there is no offense for not having a reg cert in your possession. End of story.

As long as you are the holder of the reg cert for that firearm you are good to go. Literally all that can happen is if you are asked to produce and can not, they "MAY", not will, seize the firearm until it is produced.

Shawn
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Well I can't say what will happen to you, all I can say is that the RCMP has told me you need the reg to transport legally.
 
shawn said:
You guys are still confusing the law with the old LATT condtions
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And here we go.... again... and... again.. and again. The last one I called in, the CFC pers I spoke with, explicitly made a point of telling me I could not move the gun until the CERT was in my possession. I say BS to that!

M
 
gnmontey said:
And here we go.... again... and... again.. and again. The last one I called in, the CFC pers I spoke with, explicitly made a point of telling me I could not move the gun until the CERT was in my possession. I say BS to that!

M
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So post it up

Give us the section of any act of parliament that list the offense. Dont worry will will not wait because we all know, just as much as you do, that you can not provide it.

If you want to do what a secretary on the phone tells you to, all the power to you. But that does not change what the law is and says.

Shawn
 
roadcarver said:
If you are going to use the CFO as your defense when you get stopped, you'd better get that in writing.

IMHO, it doesn't take a month to get the reg, well in Ontario anyway it takes about 7-10 days after receiving the firearm that the registration is mailed to you.

I'd go on the cautious side and not use the transfer paper as registration. Just wait for the paperwork to come in.
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I had to wait 7 weeks, that's with calls wondering where it was.
 
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