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Shnazzleberry

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Hello, just have a super quick question...

Want to make sure we do this properly but just kinda confused by all the different info floating around out there.

My dad ordered his first restricted about a month or so ago. He is not part of a club as of yet, will be soon, but we are in Ontario.

The paperwork went through with the CFO / RCMP, was approved and it is now available for pickup.

So can he just transport it from the shop to home, or is there any additional / special treatment required?

Reason I ask, is because I actually am in the process of joining a club, going through probationary period. They seemed fairly knowledgeable and if anything went above and beyond the laws and regulations. They said that upon ordering your first restricted, you would be issued a new RPAL, with the license to transport attached to the new card and that it was all automatic through the paperwork filed by the gun store.

So, does he have to get a new card first, or should everything be good to go as is?

Thanks!
 
I can tell you what I do, how I interpret the info available..... on here you will get different answers, and an argument will ensue, just wait lol
I encourage you to call the CFO and go with that. Don't be afraid to call them, I have always found them to be cordial and willing to assist.
 
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Your father will receive a new PAL card (######xx.0002) in the mail as well as a letter outlining the ATT conditions attached. Read and follow what it says.
 
Shnazzleberry said:
Hello, just have a super quick question...

Want to make sure we do this properly but just kinda confused by all the different info floating around out there.

My dad ordered his first restricted about a month or so ago. He is not part of a club as of yet, will be soon, but we are in Ontario.

The paperwork went through with the CFO / RCMP, was approved and it is now available for pickup.

So can he just transport it from the shop to home, or is there any additional / special treatment required?

Reason I ask, is because I actually am in the process of joining a club, going through probationary period. They seemed fairly knowledgeable and if anything went above and beyond the laws and regulations. They said that upon ordering your first restricted, you would be issued a new RPAL, with the license to transport attached to the new card and that it was all automatic through the paperwork filed by the gun store.

So, does he have to get a new card first, or should everything be good to go as is?

Thanks!
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It is impossible to transfer a restricted firearm without someone breaking the law. The CFOs routinely ignore this reality and act like it isn't the case, and routinely give out bad information over the phone which they will never defend in court.

To legally possess a restricted firearm, you need a license and a registration certificate. People routinely break this law by taking possession of their firearm when the transfer is approved but before they receive the certificate in the mail. The CFO actually tells people that your transfer notice is as good as a certificate, but nothing in law supports this claim.

IN order to possess a restricted firearm outside the home of the registered owner, the person in possession also needs an authorization to transport. ( IT should have been called an authorization to possess). There are circumstances where the law requires one be issued to you automatically, however just because the law says something must happen doesn't mean that the bureaucrat actually pushed the buttons to make it happen. The CFO of Ontario has been cited in contempt of court and for ignoring a judges order before for not doing what the law requires, and continues to do so as matter of standard operating procedures. The CFO routinely tells people they have "electronic" license conditions that cover them for an ATT, without actually issuing the ATTs or license conditions. Alternatively, people call the CFO to apply for and receive an ATT, and all they ever get is a reference number over the phone. They will email you one if you ask, and you should ask.

In all legal matters where the accused (you) are trying to defend a charge and your defense is based on possession of documents, the onus is on YOU to produce those documents at trial. If you possess a restricted firearm without the certificate in your possession, and without the ATT in your possession, then you are committing a criminal offence, and you will be unable to defeat any charges laid against you due to a lack of this documentation. If you don't have it in your possession, printed, emailed, etc, then you don't have it.

All that said, these laws are broken the vast majority of the time anyone transfers a restricted firearm to anyone, and nothing ever happens. You do you, and don't over think it.
 
Jeez, ok thanks for the read, good info there.

Won't get into my own personal opinion too much, I'm just TRYING to follow the law. But the laws seem vague at best and seems they almost want it that way just to dangle this great "privilege" over my head.

If I didn't love being in Canada so much, would probably just say screw it and move to the States, which is more and more tempting every day.
 
Call CFO (explain the situation) and obtain an ATT to transport it from shop/post office to your home. Once you have a new card, you won't have to get ATT to pick it up at point of sale/post office.
 
Paper crime, victimless crime. Amazingly licensed Canadians manage to get their restricted firearms home without gun battles in the streets. (Sarcasm)
 
Necro Monger said:
If you bought it from a store, they will have the transfer paperwork when you pick it up. That allows you to bring it home ONLY. In a couple weeks you will get a new RPAL card and the registration paperwork and ATT. Then you can take it to your range and fire it. EASY
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Ok, this does seem to kind of follow a lot of what has been instructed from the various people in the industry that I have talked to so far. Will still follow through to take all precautions.

Just didn't know if you also needed the new RPAL to bring it home. This does make sense, but not sure if sense is also "law-abiding" anymore (that's a bad joke).

I'm very sure all the information presented here by everyone does carry a lot of validity and am extremely appreciative for that! Seriously though it's just a bit convoluted.

Thanks again for all the input everyone, much appreciated!
 
Necro Monger said:
If you bought it from a store, they will have the transfer paperwork when you pick it up. That allows you to bring it home ONLY. In a couple weeks you will get a new RPAL card and the registration paperwork and ATT. Then you can take it to your range and fire it. EASY
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Bingo! We have a winner, simple as can be to understand and right on the money.

Or call.

All the above info is great. As mentioned in another thread you will receive the new RPAL with the last 4 numbers being 0002, where as your original RPAL's last 4 numbers are 0001. And will be obsolete.
 
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Necro Monger said:
If you bought it from a store, they will have the transfer paperwork when you pick it up. That allows you to bring it home ONLY. In a couple weeks you will get a new RPAL card and the registration paperwork and ATT. Then you can take it to your range and fire it. EASY
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1ABNDT said:
Bingo! We have a winner, simple as can be to understand and right on the money.

Or call.

All the above info is great. As mentioned in another thread you will receive the new RPAL with the last 4 numbers being 0002, where as your original RPAL's last 4 numbers are 0001. And will be obsolete.
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The seller will have the SELLER'S copy of the transfer. The buyer needs to have the BUYER'S copy of the transfer 2 seperate things.

OP if your father doesn't have his copy of the transfer he CANNOT go pick up his new restricted.
 
I would (and do every single time) just go and pick up the gun and take it home...he’s licensed, the transfer is approved...done.

Or you can call the CFO and have them tell you to do the above...You can even ask them for an emailed ATT...which they will tell you is not necessary..but if you insist, they may send you one, who knows...

Or, you can come on CGN and try and determine how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...

Do whichever you are most comfortable doing...At the end of the day, at some point, the gun needs a ride home.

Just for giggles, someone should compile a list of all of the licensed gun owners charged with an offence related to bringing their legally acquired restricted firearm home from the place of purchase...I expect it will look something like the this:

1)...
 
Necro Monger said:
If you bought it from a store, they will have the transfer paperwork when you pick it up. That allows you to bring it home ONLY. In a couple weeks you will get a new RPAL card and the registration paperwork and ATT. Then you can take it to your range and fire it. EASY
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Actually transfer paperwork is utterly useless in complying with the legal requirements to have a registration certificate, but no one seems to actually the care. The more I study the law and realize how many issues are created by the firearms act that are being openly ignored by law enforcement, the more I don't care what law enforcement, particularly the Canadian Firearms Program, think I should be doing.
 
Cameron SS said:
Actually transfer paperwork is utterly useless in complying with the legal requirements to have a registration certificate, but no one seems to actually the care. The more I study the law and realize how many issues are created by the firearms act that are being openly ignored by law enforcement, the more I don't care what law enforcement, particularly the Canadian Firearms Program, think I should be doing.
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I know you'll probably say it's again not legal, but what about when I order a firearm online and have it mailed to my residence? The UPS driver likely doesn't have a PAL and certainly doesn't have the registration certificate. At most they have the transfer paperwork in the box.

I highly doubt anyone stopped by the police transporting their firearm home from the store with their PAL and transfer paper is going to be any trouble. There are gray areas.
 
Necro Monger said:
If you bought it from a store, they will have the transfer paperwork when you pick it up. That allows you to bring it home ONLY. In a couple weeks you will get a new RPAL card and the registration paperwork and ATT. Then you can take it to your range and fire it. EASY
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Why home only?
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You need the reg cert to posses the firearm, not to transport it. So if the transfer notice is good enough to bring it home and good enough to keep it home, it's good enough to take it to the range.

Edit: Back to OP, in Ontario anyway, the CFO told me the conditions are attached to your license electronically, so you don't need to wait for your new RPAL. Wouldn't hurt to call and make sure that happened. If you want to play it safe and wait for your new RPAL, be prepared to wait, buddy just got his after 9 weeks.
 
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Realistically in Ontario, make sure you have a trigger lock on the firearm another lock on the case, take the paper work (registration) from the seller (once the transfer is done, he / she no longer need that, and you will receive one in the mail) (if you borough it in a store, the store will have a copy of the transfer in your name).

Home sweet home.
 
Just have it shipped to your house and don’t miss the shipper , that way it gets delivered to you when the store releases it and u don’t have to drive from the post office to your home with a restricted firearm , all problems solved .

Then just wait till u get the certificate in the mail , along with new RPAL and conditions .
 
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