Transporting my Handgun

shawn said:
The issue is it only takes once to get you mandatory minimum of three years in prison.

Shawn
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In terms of violations of the storage and transport regs my RPAL course book says (for an indictable offense) "in the case of a first offense a term not exceeding two years.

If the crown chose to proceed by way of a summery offense charge (more likely) it is a fine of 2,000 and/or six months imprisonment if found guilty.

Where do you get the 3 year mandatory minimum?
 
sailor723 said:
But how was he aware that you had firearms in the vehicle in the first place? Did he specifically ask you or was the purpose of the stop to look at your transport arrangements (ie he set up outside a range for spotchecks or something?)

I've been stopped for speeding a couple of times over the years and the question has never been asked.
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Hey saw me turning onto the hwy from the range. He then asked if I had firearms in the car. There is a whole thread on it somewhere.
 
I have the same type of bag and have no reservations on locking the nylon tabs.

It's just as secure as any light alloy "lock zippers".

If you get paranoid of your 'justice locks' then justin trudeau "shiny pony" crowd has won. Just relax and exert your right. Many have copy and pasted the actual law. What it says is 'we will f with you until you have enough'. In response we will do what IS THE COMMON SENSE.. So leave us alone.

The more you stress, the more Shiney Pony wins
 
I just use a Tool bag from Rona, I drilled out the zipper tabs so I can fit a pad lock through them and lock them together, inside my pistols are in soft cases with trigger locks. It cant be "easily" broken into. unless you have a knife to cut it open. Even then I doubt it would be "easy" They could charge you with the same thing in a hard case also, most hard cases you can get into without any tools, just pry it open and slide the gun out. Unless it is a pelican case or something. Dont worry about it, trigger lock and in a locked soft or hard case, if they want they can charge you with anything. Wont hold up in court. They would not have the right to search you to even see how you are storing it. Have all you paper work on you so you dont have to open the trunk to get it. Is should never even come up but if it does, you are on the way to the range, here is my firearms license and ATT. Have a nice day officer. No search without a search warrant.
 
sailor723 said:
In terms of violations of the storage and transport regs my RPAL course book says (for an indictable offense) "in the case of a first offense a term not exceeding two years.

If the crown chose to proceed by way of a summery offense charge (more likely) it is a fine of 2,000 and/or six months imprisonment if found guilty.

Where do you get the 3 year mandatory minimum?
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Oh, its only two years?? Then I'll take my chances on a plastic shopping bag. If it was THREE, well, then that would be different!
 
The way things can be interpreted, and because of the chance of "Subjectivity" in that interpretation, I always use a hard case.
Don't need to have another thing to worry about.
 
One more angle to try on you experts...

•restricted firearms are trigger locked.

•in a range bag (with a locked zipper).

•locked in the trunk of you vehicle, that is to say, the rear fold down seats in your car have a override that disengages the lock release from inside the cabin of the vehicle. You cannot access the trunk from inside while this override is in place.

Does the locked trunk act as a container for the purpose of transport?

Remember, you are not legally allowed to remove the range bag from your trunk unless you are at home or the range or some other pre approved location.

Looking forward to your free legal advice...

Thank you!
 
gdrew said:
One more angle to try on you experts...

•restricted firearms are trigger locked.

•in a range bag (with a locked zipper).

•locked in the trunk of you vehicle, that is to say, the rear fold down seats in your car have a override that disengages the lock release from inside the cabin of the vehicle. You cannot access the trunk from inside while this override is in place.

Does the locked trunk act as a container for the purpose of transport?

Remember, you are not legally allowed to remove the range bag from your trunk unless you are at home or the range or some other pre approved location.

Looking forward to your free legal advice...

Thank you!
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Hummmmm.............

Nobody on CGN is in the giving legal advice mood today...that’s got to be a first:d
 
greywolf67nt said:
What about a bank deposit bag?
They are cut resistant and lockable. It would slip right into your range bag.
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I don’t know. I was just trying to determine if the trunk of a vehicle would be considered a container for the purpose of transporting a restricted firearm, or for that matter a locked dry box in the back of your pickup.

The FA is stating you need two levels of locked access to transport your restricted, 1) a trigger or cable lock and 2) locked container with an unspecified level of difficulty to break into. Does the trunk of the vehicle or a locked dry box count as the latter?
 
gdrew said:
One more angle to try on you experts...

•restricted firearms are trigger locked.

•in a range bag (with a locked zipper).

•locked in the trunk of you vehicle, that is to say, the rear fold down seats in your car have a override that disengages the lock release from inside the cabin of the vehicle. You cannot access the trunk from inside while this override is in place.

Does the locked trunk act as a container for the purpose of transport?

Remember, you are not legally allowed to remove the range bag from your trunk unless you are at home or the range or some other pre approved location.

Looking forward to your free legal advice...

Thank you!
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My unqualified opinion is that IF the locked zipper bag is considered legal to transport, then putting it in an inaccessible trunk is totally unnecessary. If it is not a legal container then you were already in violation when you walked it to your car. You have think about how a judge would view that argument.
 
gdrew said:
I don’t know. I was just trying to determine if the trunk of a vehicle would be considered a container for the purpose of transporting a restricted firearm, or for that matter a locked dry box in the back of your pickup.

The FA is stating you need two levels of locked access to transport your restricted, 1) a trigger or cable lock and 2) locked container with an unspecified level of difficulty to break into. Does the trunk of the vehicle or a locked dry box count as the latter?
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There are other areas of the transport regs where they specifically mention a car trunk--never in the context that you are suggesting, therefore I really doubt it.
 
If the trunk were to be considered the "sturdy container" then how do you get the Restricted to the trunk without it being in a sturdy container and therefore breaking the law?
You can't step out into your own backyard with a trigger locked Restricted if it is not in a sturdy locked container.
I may be wrong if so let the flaming begin.
 
Skinny 1950 said:
If the trunk were to be considered the "sturdy container" then how do you get the Restricted to the trunk without it being in a sturdy container and therefore breaking the law?
You can't step out into your own backyard with a trigger locked Restricted if it is not in a sturdy locked container.
I may be wrong if so let the flaming begin.
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No flaming, just respectful discussion to help myself and others understand the transport part of the regulation that isn’t clearly spelled out.

Let’s assume my car is in the garage and the garage is attached to the house and can be accessed from inside the house. In this scenario you don’t have to go outside to access your vehicle. Is a locked trunk, dry box, or even a glove box considered a suitable container for the purpose or transport?
 
GBG said:
Oh, its only two years?? Then I'll take my chances on a plastic shopping bag. If it was THREE, well, then that would be different!
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Everybody loves to boast about "Stickin' it to the Man"....... That is until the man sticks it in them LOL
 
gdrew said:
No flaming, just respectful discussion to help myself and others understand the transport part of the regulation that isn’t clearly spelled out.

Let’s assume my car is in the garage and the garage is attached to the house and can be accessed from inside the house. In this scenario you don’t have to go outside to access your vehicle. Is a locked trunk, dry box, or even a glove box considered a suitable container for the purpose or transport?
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Your problem is your are trying to find logic and reason in the Liberal Firearm Act of 1995. The Firearm Act is arguably the most poorly written Act ever past into law. The only real reason for the Firearm Act is provide the Feds the "tools" to separate the Canadian population from their property (firearms).
 
gdrew said:
No flaming, just respectful discussion to help myself and others understand the transport part of the regulation that isn’t clearly spelled out.

Let’s assume my car is in the garage and the garage is attached to the house and can be accessed from inside the house. In this scenario you don’t have to go outside to access your vehicle. Is a locked trunk, dry box, or even a glove box considered a suitable container for the purpose or transport?
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Cool,

How do you get it from the parking lot to the range?

Shawn
 
sailor723 said:
Here's the thing that always comes to my mind when I read these kinds of threads.....How often do you get stopped between home and the range and have your firearm transport arrangements inspected? I sometimes think we worry about this kind of stuff for little reason.
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Never.

But there's always a first time...
 
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