Transporting Restricted Firearm laws

Silverback said:
I just put them in the envelope with my ATT and put it under the foam in my case, they don't get lost or beat up that way.
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The only problem with doing this is a LEO can ask for your ATT and then you would need to open the case to get it out presenting potential issues; with the majority of LEO already not knowing the firearms transport laws who knows what might happen. I would never put myself in a position where I needed to access a resricted firearm to get at the ATT paperwork.
 
i currently take originals with me in a folder and kept in my range bag. Although i had misplaced my certification for one for a day or so, and after that i decided to make copies and just keep the originals in my gun cabinet
 
juancarlos said:
The only problem with doing this is a LEO can ask for your ATT and then you would need to open the case to get it out presenting potential issues; with the majority of LEO already not knowing the firearms transport laws who knows what might happen. I would never put myself in a position where I needed to access a resricted firearm to get at the ATT paperwork.
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If the LEO wants to see your paperwork he/she will want or need to see the restricted firearms to verify that you have the required documents to match the firearms being transported and that they are being properly transported, with trigger locks or disabled and in a locked case.
What potential issues are you referring to? If you are obeying the law what is the problem?
 
An LEO can ask to order you to produce your PAL and ATT if they become aware that you have restricted firearms on you but they can not search your firearms without a warrant. Recently, I went through this and my restricted were locked in the same case as my non restricted. While my restricted firearms had trigger locks my non-restricted did not. The LEO insisted that it was the law that any firearm must have a trigger lock...epic fail. In the end, I was right and he let me on my way after checking with his supervisor who was a little more knowledgeable but it wasted more of my time and I wondered what would have happened had his supervisor been just as ignorant to the laws. The simple case I am making is why would you put yourself in a position where most LEO are clueless about firearms transport regs and laws, and you don't have to allow them to look at your firearms without a warrant but you do have to produce a PAL and ATT. If you would like to do so then go ahead no one is stopping you. Personally, I will not allow any LEO to go further into my vehicle or any of my personal items than I have to.
 
Your story was interesting but I find it hard to take it seriously when you use the term "epic fail" in it, to me that demonstrates a certain amount of anti-LEO attitude, it also makes me wonder why you were stopped in the first place.
Good luck in your future dealings with LEO's.
 
Silverback said:
Your story was interesting but I find it hard to take it seriously when you use the term "epic fail" in it, to me that demonstrates a certain amount of anti-LEO attitude, it also makes me wonder why you were stopped in the first place.
Good luck in your future dealings with LEO's.
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I was stopped for speeding on my return trip from the range. The "epic fail" part was to illustrate the lack of firearm knowledge by typical LEOs. I have the upmost respect for LEO and respect the difficulty of their jobs and what they do for the community but that doesn't mean they know firearms regulations. I was simply trying to contribute to forum discussion unlike yourself. You asked a question and I answered it. Now you are making implications and I have no idea why? Why don't you try contributing instead.
 
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Silverback said:
Your story was interesting but I find it hard to take it seriously when you use the term "epic fail" in it, to me that demonstrates a certain amount of anti-LEO attitude, it also makes me wonder why you were stopped in the first place.
Good luck in your future dealings with LEO's.
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I agree with you completely Silverback. It never fails to amaze me how tough some guys are when they are writing a STORY on a forum. I suspect that if it happened at all any dealings they had with a Law Enforcement Officer in the field would be quite different, because if they did not comply they probably would not like the results they got.

But what the heck, it is a great story right?

Graydog
 
I've heard of people even scanning or taking pictures of their registrations and storing them on phones or other portable devices. I'll just keep taking the originals in my hard case. I guess it depends on the person stopping you too.
 
H:S: You don't need the registration certs with you! You do need to follow all transport laws and carry your RPAL and ATT. This coming from another guy who was caught in a speed trap going to the range oncef:P:2:.

Yes, the LEO wanted access to my guns in the trunk and ordered me to open the case because in his words "I need to see your paperwork {ATT} and ensure that they {the guns} are safe {trigger locked/disabled}". I complied, I wasn't about to get into some "sh1thouse lawyer" legal argument with the guy. I figured he's the cop, if he's wrong (about the access) so be it, it'd be on him not me...I did as he asked. There was a Supervisor on the scene and no one asked for my registration, because I don't need it and here's why: Where is it Illegal to lend your restricted to someone else...{hang on, before you freak out let's run the scenario} A father and son living in the same residence are both members of the same Club, to which they both have ATT's for, and they are both RPAL holders. On the day in question, the son asks Dad to borrow his revolver to take to the range. Dad say's go for it...and the kid runs into the speed trap like I did. Where is the Law violated? {ahem, aside from the speeding thing:)}

Who cares who's gun it is (as long as we're not talking about used in a crime type of thing)...The kid is licenced to own and properly transport restricted firearms from his residence to the range...case closed.

To turn this scenario around, what if he did bring registrations and the LEO's found he was in possession of his fathers firearm and the kid says Dad loaned it to me for the day!?

This scenario is not autobiographical to my incident BTW, I just used it as an example. The guns were mine, and I haven't lived with my Father for some 27 years now :p
 
I used to never carry mine, just my RPAL and LTATT. Now that I have an iPhone, and everyone says that you need it, whether it's true or not, I just scan them and store them in iBooks.
 
Yeah, I know storing these necessary docs on your mobile device seems to be efficient, and even obvious (considering the CFOs email them to us now)

BUT

I was informed by the BC CFO's office that if asked for either of these two documents - your LTATT or your Registration, you will be expected to produce hard copy.

Of course, it's a given that you can produce your PAL ...

Personally, I keep my LTATT in my glove compartment with my insurance papers ('cause it's good for all my firearms), And I make a copy of each registration cert - one goes with the firearm, the other stays at home in the filing cabinet.

Oh, and yeah - if all else fails, I have everything on my mobile device, home computer, external harddrive, ICloud, and Gmail to re-print should something happen to anything.

Abby
 
I carry RPAL and have copy of LTATT plus copy of registration cards in my handgun case. If any law enforcement officer wants to check my guns I have no problems with it. I lock all my firearms as if restricted (overkill but no questioning) and lock my ammo separate in my range bag. I would rather just not have any problems and I try to keep the shooting sport positive feeling.

Really who cares how many locks you have to add? Make them happy and they leave me alone to shoot and enjoy my firearms!!!

Now where is the nickel for my thoughts!!!!
 
I have all my guns secured while l transport them based on if they are restricted or non-restricted. I have my RPAL in my wallet, and the ATT and registration certificates in an envelope in the case that l use to car my other stuff ie eye and ear protection, targets, mags etc. That way l can easily show them the paperwork, without having to show them the firearms. But in all these years, l've never been stopped by any LEO's and asked to show anything.
 
I just called the CFO sometime back and requested copies of everything they had registered to me (good to do this once in a while, I've had guns registered to me that I have never owned, and some still registered to me that I long sold). Do that a couple times and you have duplicates . Toss them in a folder, folder in the range box, good to go. - dan
 
shak541 said:
Hey guys. not too sure about this but is it true i need to have the firearm registration certificate to even bring my firearm to the range? As in have it with me? I bring them with me but is it needed?
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For what it's worth, some time ago I received a new handgun via courier one sunny Friday afternoon. Having no pressing commitments for the afternoon, I had the strong desire to head out to the range.

Obvously I had not yet received the certificate yet, but had all other paperwork, including my sales receipt, LATT, and transfer notification.

On the way to the range I stopped by the local RCMP to see if they had any concerns.

They didn't seem the least bit worried. The firearms officer responded that 'in the unlikely event that you're asked to produce any paperwork', 'proof of ownership should be just fine'.

For the permits I do have, I keep a cut-out photocopy in a $4 leather business card type holder that is kept in my range bag. The LTT is there as well.

Although I have had instances of asking to flash my PAL, I have never been asked for any other paperwork whatsoever. But it's always there if needed.
 
I have a binder in my car with copies and/or originals of my reg certs and LATT, plus all my international invites etc. That binder goes everywhere I go with guns. I also have copies in my range bag, and behind the foam in each gun case. That way no matter what I can produce them. Like when my guns are sitting in one airport and my range bag in another I at least have my binder in my backpack to prove I'm allowed to have what I have.
 
ambishooter said:
A transfer certificate is a valid firearms registration document. It is valid only transporting the firearm from the dealer to your residence. You still need to carry your PAL and a valid ATT to bring the firearm to your club range.
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I called CFO and they said I could use my transfer notice as proof because it has all the same info as the reg. cert. anyway.
 
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