transporting restricted rifles

I use a Pacsafe bag to carry my trigger locked inside locked hard cases handguns to the range because the bag and straps have steel cables inside that makes it super strong.
They're made to keep thieves and footpads out so the bags themselves should be adequate.
Looks super cool on the x-ray display but the next time I take it to the airport with all the powder residue and stuff that's soaked into it might get a bit entertaining.
Or I might just buy a new one that doesn't smell like burnt powder.
 
I use a Maxpedition padded gun case the zipper comes with eyelets allows you to lock it up with a small cable lock, it is lot sturdier than a Plano style gun case that requires 3 locks that flexible enough to pry it open to get to your rifle.
 
Your average opportunist is armed with a pocket knife and not much knowledge. Therefore the hard case offers more security against potential do-badders. And I'll betcha that's how a judge would look at it.
 
armycat said:
Transportation of Restricted Firearms
11 An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,

(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

There's the law, the problem is the interpretation of "such strength, construction and nature that it can't be readily broken open."
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Readily broken into = with no tools. A simple bag with double zippers locked with a cheap padlock is fine; some people go to the range by bike, with their handguns in their backpack, locked with a simple padlock (and trigger lock, of course).

The law isn't made to protect you from being stolen. It's made so you won't have access to your guns in 1/2 a second in case someone cuts you off on the road. The 5 seconds you need to open your case and 5 more seconds to remove the trigger lock is enough in 99% of the cases to let someone cool off and regain their senses. It's also for accidents, such as you 5 years old having access to your guns if the car is a hatchback.

A velcro or a button can be readily broken into. The cheapest possible padlock with combo set to 000 cannot.
 
canmic said:
There is case law out there (not zipper bags but it was a case where someone did break into the container) and the judge in that case ruled that if a person had to use a tool, the it was "not easy" but if it could be done without a tool, ie: with your hands, then it was "easily" The judge gave a specific example that if it required a knife or a screwdriver or pliers, then it wasn't easy.
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A locked soft gun case is 100% legal for transportation of restricted firearms as long as it's used in combination with a trigger lock or similar device. There is established legal precedent. End of story.

trebor2880 said:
Your average opportunist is armed with a pocket knife and not much knowledge. Therefore the hard case offers more security against potential do-badders. And I'll betcha that's how a judge would look at it.
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You'd be wrong. Current safe transportation and storage laws aren’t primarily aimed at theft prevention but denial of easy access to said firearms, especially unauthorized or unlicensed hands such as children, spouse, etc...

VinnyQC said:
Readily broken into = with no tools. A simple bag with double zippers locked with a cheap padlock is fine; some people go to the range by bike, with their handguns in their backpack, locked with a simple padlock (and trigger lock, of course).

The law isn't made to protect you from being stolen. It's made so you won't have access to your guns in 1/2 a second in case someone cuts you off on the road. The 5 seconds you need to open your case and 5 more seconds to remove the trigger lock is enough in 99% of the cases to let someone cool off and regain their senses. It's also for accidents, such as you 5 years old having access to your guns if the car is a hatchback.

A velcro or a button can be readily broken into. The cheapest possible padlock with combo set to 000 cannot.
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Basically covers things.

So, to recap, lockable soft gun cases are 100% LEGAL to transport restricted firearms in combination with secure locking devices such as trigger or cable locks. Improvised, home made options are also legal, such as short lengths of chain or steel cable and padlock, etc...
 
X-man said:
You'd be wrong. Current safe transportation and storage laws aren’t primarily aimed at theft prevention but denial of easy access to said firearms, especially unauthorized or unlicensed hands such as children, spouse, etc...
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OK then, children and spouses would find it easier to cut through cloth with a knife found in the top drawer of any the kitchen cabinet, rather than through tough plastic and without previous knowledge of how to open it with tools.

Example: One gun is in a cloth case, and one is in a hard shell case. Which one will be broken into first?
Answer: The one in the cloth case, 'cause a knife could be as close as in your pocket, and common sense tells you how to get into it.
Hard case, more thinking required and needs a less available tool to get you into it, hence more time it takes for access.
And people are generally lazy and give up easily. You be the judge.
 
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trebor2880 said:
OK then, children and spouses would find it easier to cut through cloth with a knife found in the top drawer of any the kitchen cabinet, rather than through tough plastic and without previous knowledge of how to open it with tools.

Example: One gun is in a cloth case, and one is in a hard shell case. Which one will be broken into first?
Answer: The one in the cloth case, 'cause a knife could be as close as in your pocket, and common sense tells you how to get into it.
Hard case, more thinking required and needs a less available tool to get you into it, hence more time it takes for access.
And people are generally lazy and give up easily. You be the judge.
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But the question is safe storage for transportation, not safe storage at home.
If a criminal breaks into your vehicle he's not going to cut open a soft case or try pry open a hard case on the scene. They'll just grab the case no matter the construction and take-off and "open" at their leisure in another location.

I guess maybe if your wife or kid is mad at you because you didn't take them to Dairy Queen they can force you to pull over at knife point, get the key to the trunk, cut open the soft case, pry off the trigger lock, find some ammo, then force you to take them to Dairy Queen at gun point?:p
 
FreedomIsn'tFree said:
I trigger lock mine, lock them in a hard case, inside a hard case, locked inside another hard case, wrapped in chains, locked inside my trunk and the trunk is pad locked shut. The ammo is transported in a totally different vehicle which my wife drives to the range AFTER I have arrived there and give her the all clear text that she can safely leave the house and make her way to the range. You can never be to safe because I hear these weapons can have a mind of their own and may go on shooting spree's if they are not locked extremely well at all times. If they have a stock that goes up and a high capacity clip you have to be even more cautious. My comment was not meant to make fun of your honest question, but to comment on our extremely STUPID firearms laws in Canuckastan.
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Same.

Lol. So good.
 
trebor2880 said:
OK then, children and spouses would find it easier to cut through cloth with a knife found in the top drawer of any the kitchen cabinet, rather than through tough plastic and without previous knowledge of how to open it with tools.

Example: One gun is in a cloth case, and one is in a hard shell case. Which one will be broken into first?
Answer: The one in the cloth case, 'cause a knife could be as close as in your pocket, and common sense tells you how to get into it.
Hard case, more thinking required and needs a less available tool to get you into it, hence more time it takes for access.
And people are generally lazy and give up easily. You be the judge.
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I can cut through a cheap plastic clamshell "hard" gun case using a quality utility/box cutter almost as fast as I can through a nylon gun case, or simply take a hammer to the hasp or hinges. A blow or two will break the plastic. So what? The firearm must also be rendered inoperable by a trigger lock or cable lock. The intent is to keep kids and other unauthorized individuals from having easy access to the firearm in question.

The courts have interpreted the law in question to establish a baseline or minimum standard which requires the use of some sort of tool in order to access the firearm. If you feel like going above and beyond that minimum legal standard, that's your prerogative, but doing so doesn't make the guy toting his AR in a locked Eagle or Blackhawk tactical carbine case any less compliant.
 
X-man said:
I can cut through a cheap plastic clamshell "hard" gun case using a quality utility/box cutter almost as fast as I can through a nylon gun case, or simply take a hammer to the hasp or hinges. A blow or two will break the plastic. So what? The firearm must also be rendered inoperable by a trigger lock or cable lock. The intent is to keep kids and other unauthorized individuals from having easy access to the firearm in question.

The courts have interpreted the law in question to establish a baseline or minimum standard which requires the use of some sort of tool in order to access the firearm. If you feel like going above and beyond that minimum legal standard, that's your prerogative, but doing so doesn't make the guy toting his AR in a locked Eagle or Blackhawk tactical carbine case any less compliant.
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The operative words here are "I can". We're talking about people without the knowledge and abilities of someone in the know.
 
thanks for all the input guys, i really wanted to switch over to a nice molle style soft case, nice to keep my AR stuff together in one case
 
tdot-mex said:
thanks for all the input guys, i really wanted to switch over to a nice molle style soft case, nice to keep my AR stuff together in one case
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511 double rifle bag

lots of us use that to carry our ars

zippers come designed together in a manner made to lock them tight
 
I don't post on CGN much any more, because of the signal to noise ratio, but I will chime in here, because there is so much opinion be passed as "fact" when I read these threads, so I will not post anything but this excerpt, taken from the recently released Canadian Restricted Firearm Safety Course manual. You can interpret this however you want:

b. A restricted firearm may be transported only under the following conditions:

It is unloaded, and

o rendered inoperable by using a secure locking device; and

o in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and cannot be easily broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation. A heavy-duty soft case (i.e., made of nylon) meets these requirements as long as you can lock it securely.

You may leave the locked container (carrying the restricted firearm) in an unattended vehicle’s securely locked trunk or similar compartment.

If the unattended vehicle does not have a securely locked trunk or similar compartment, lock the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, and leave the locked container out of sight.

The other thing of note with regard to the above, because it comes up occasionally, with equally entertaining opinions, are the last two sentences; that is, how to leave the firearm in an unattended vehicle.

Regards.

Mark
 
X-man said:
A locked soft gun case is 100% legal for transportation of restricted firearms as long as it's used in combination with a trigger lock or similar device. There is established legal precedent. End of story.



You'd be wrong. Current safe transportation and storage laws aren’t primarily aimed at theft prevention but denial of easy access to said firearms, especially unauthorized or unlicensed hands such as children, spouse, etc...



Basically covers things.

So, to recap, lockable soft gun cases are 100% LEGAL to transport restricted firearms in combination with secure locking devices such as trigger or cable locks. Improvised, home made options are also legal, such as short lengths of chain or steel cable and padlock, etc...
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Yup.
 
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