Transporting your guns to the range - soft or hard case?

V29189*** said:
The range I belong to is shared by LEO's, Feds, Prov, and municipal, Custom's officers etc.

Verbatim from one prov. officer - "you guys aren't the ones that we go after" "if there is a complete neglect for firearm saftey and transportation laws, you will be fined"

I use the 5.11 soft case. I transport my AR and Pistols. They both will have trigger locks. The 2 compartments they are in have mini locks that are fastened through the eye's of the zippers. There is no issue with any of the LEO's that I frequesntly shoot with at my range.

and yes, I call it my range, because I clean up alot... :)
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It comes down to how a court would interpret the word "readily". Here is a def from OSX Dictionary:
without hesitation or reluctance; willingly

The section of restricted transport I'm talking about is:
"it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot *readily* be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation"

You have to ask yourself if in a courtroom, when your case is displayed to a jury, it will meet this requirement.
 
I think in court a judge would be asked to determine the difference between a restricted and non-restricted firearm... for example you could have 2 rifles same caliber same barrel length...one must be transported differently than the other....the transportation laws make no sense whatsoever.
 
waynesixgun said:
I think in court a judge would be asked to determine the difference between a restricted and non-restricted firearm... for example you could have 2 rifles same caliber same barrel length...one must be transported differently than the other....the transportation laws make no sense whatsoever.
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So you think you will be able to transport a restricted firearm as if it was non-restricted ( basically an attended non-restricted firearm may be transported by an individual as long as it is unloaded ) because the laws don't make sense to you?

Feel free to pop your unlocked, unloaded AR15 in the rear window gun rack of your pickup truck and head for the Tim Hortons drive through. Let us know how that works out for you.

The laws are passed by Parliament. The courts decide whether your behaviour fits within these laws or not. Whether you think they make sense or not will make no difference when you are on trial.
 
scottm said:
So you think you will be able to transport a restricted firearm as if it was non-restricted ( basically an attended non-restricted firearm may be transported by an individual as long as it is unloaded ) because the laws don't make sense to you?

Feel free to pop your unlocked, unloaded AR15 in the rear window gun rack of your pickup truck and head for the Tim Hortons drive through. Let us know how that works out for you.

The laws are passed by Parliament. The courts decide whether your behaviour fits within these laws or not. Whether you think they make sense or not will make no difference when you are on trial.
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Read my post again..
 
waynesixgun said:
Read my post again..
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OK I will:
Waynesixgun said
waynesixgun said:
I think in court a judge would be asked to determine the difference between a restricted and non-restricted firearm"
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No, the judge would be asked to do no such thing. Evidence presented to the court would include the Firearm Registration Certificate for the gun or guns involved. This would clearly state the firearm class. Here is information from 2 of my registration certificates:
Firearm 1. Make: Remington
Class: Non-Restricted
Firearm 2. Make: Heckler & Koch
Class: Restricted

Once the class is known, the method of legal transport (restricted or non-restricted) will directly follow. My Remington can be tossed on the seat beside me for a ride as long as it's not loaded. My HK obviously cannot.

Waynesixgun said
waynesixgun said:
...for example you could have 2 rifles same caliber same barrel length...one must be transported differently than the other"
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If one certificate states a restricted class and the other certificate states non-restricted they will fall under different transport laws. That is fact. You could easily have the situation you described. For example a .223 bolt gun with a 20" barrel could be transported without a secure locking device. A .223 AR15 with a 20" barrel would need a secure locking device and more.

Note that doesn't necessarily mean "transported differently". There's no law against going over and above the transport laws. In the example with 2 of my guns you could lock the Remington in the same case as the HK. There is clearly a law against transporting the HK without being in a locked case and being rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device.

Waynesixgun said
waynesixgun said:
....the transportation laws make no sense whatsoever."
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Perhaps to you they don't. The laws are intelligible and can be used to decide whether a person is acting within the laws as passed by your government.

I'm not saying that there aren't grey areas. I pointed one out in the post to which you initially responded. What is "readily broken open"? Is that crappy 30 dollar hard case adequate? What about a Cordura/heavy zippered soft case? I personally think pretty much any hard case would be OK. I also think a sturdily constructed soft case like a 5.11 would probably get by. Remember though that slightly more than half of your countrymen (and potential jury members) think private gun ownership should be completely prohibited.

Note also that I didn't say I agree with the transport laws as written. Whether you like them or not, they are the laws you must currently obey if you want to avoid the possibility of criminal charges.
 
I use both ...sometimes at the same time.

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Pelican cases are tough, big, and very heavy. Soft cases aren't.

unclerod said:
Just looking for some advice from those of you who frequent ranges. I have basic padded zip-arounds for my hunting rifles but with the addition of an AR to the collection (and all the accessories that go along with it) I am going to need a new bag/case to get it there and back. What do you folks use to keep it safe and everything organized. I like the soft style - light, less bulk (and cheaper?) but the hard cases would offer more protection, piece of mind, and I could carve out a spot in the foam for a pistol if I decide to bring it along. Any opinions, advice or styles to check out would be appreciated...
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It really comes down to one question: How big is your vehicle?
 
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