Trappers are they allowed to carry a pistol.
- Thread starter Amelio
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Yes no doubt, the CO who was testing us was flying by the seat of his pants. We had to make 50% hits from each position at 25 and at 50 yards. It was difficult, but for one fellow it was just not possible. The CO let him try and shoot it again and again and again until he did finally make it. There probably is no "real" procedure in place. It's basically just trying to please the officer who is sticking his neck out to push your application through. Sadly, it's not really what you know... But who you know. Not that I like it but that seems to be the way it is. Our applications sat for over a year until we had befriended this particular CO on our trapline and spoke to him about it. I believe our friendship had much to do with getting our ATC's.
There is a form the tester fills out. I don't recall ever seeing a yardage to use and I would remember 50 yards mostly because I would have ignored the requirement. Essentially the form was interested in determining the applicant knew which end the bullet came out of and was reasonably competent in using a handgun. The two fellows I have tested both were experienced handgun shooters. Both are on this forum and at least one of them might comment on this thread at some point.
Take Care
Bob
Lonesome Donkey
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Back in the early 70s, I knew a guy who had formerly inspected pipeline in NWT or Yukon, who carried a .44 Magnum Super Blackhawk while travelling on his Ski-doo.
Not sure if he had a permit to do so, but the Mounties knew about it and he had no problems.
Back then though, I believe that trappers permits were easier to get.
Unfortunately, it didn't prevent him from having one side of his face ripped apart in a bear attack, causing the loss of one eye, and a career change.
It seems to me that a mare's leg with a 12" barrel, equipped with a full buttstock in .44 magnum, would work equally well.
Trappers liked short-barreled rifles back in the day as well.
Not sure if he had a permit to do so, but the Mounties knew about it and he had no problems.
Back then though, I believe that trappers permits were easier to get.
Unfortunately, it didn't prevent him from having one side of his face ripped apart in a bear attack, causing the loss of one eye, and a career change.
It seems to me that a mare's leg with a 12" barrel, equipped with a full buttstock in .44 magnum, would work equally well.
Trappers liked short-barreled rifles back in the day as well.
Lots of misinformation in this thread. Go here: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm then read the application.
Trappers don't carry for protection, as stated they carry to dispatch animals.
Calibre restrictions are not listed on any form and are likely CFO "recommendations".
Trappers don't carry for protection, as stated they carry to dispatch animals.
Calibre restrictions are not listed on any form and are likely CFO "recommendations".
They would not issue an ATC to us for dispatching purposes, not sure why? We had to apply for protection in order to get one. It seems that those running the show are confused on the regulations as well...
Lonesome Donkey
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- Central Alberta
Trappers did and do carry .22 rifles and pistols (in the USA) to dispatch animals with as little damage to the pelt as possible, and not for protection.
However, the point is that they DID and DO carry them.
Also, back in the day, trappers did carry "trapper" length 1892 carbines and such to dispatch animals, and these were not .22s.
.25-20 maybe, but center-fire.
I was discussing what would work as a decent defensive substitute for those who might wish to carry a handgun in the bush, but can't.
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It's also the result of widespread poaching. I doubt if anyplace has the problems with poaching that Newfoundland does.
I know of one guy who's a "logger" who told me himself that every day that he's in the woods cutting, he comes home with a moose.
Here in BC the CFO has a practical shooting test you have to do with a qualified handgun instructor or someone they will accept. What the laws say and what the CFO's decide to do can be two different things. Welcome to the Nanny State.
Take Care
Bob
Minimums relate to muzzle energy, not round size. Like all range guidelines, the max caliber is based off energy, not size (although closely related.).
If a range has a .357 magnum max, anything above that size would be banned if by caliber, anything more powerful if done by energy.
If a range has a .357 magnum max, anything above that size would be banned if by caliber, anything more powerful if done by energy.
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wayupnorth
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- Northern Alberta
i just woke up and am a little groggy but where on that web page does it state that trappers are carrying for dispatch of animals and not for protection?
i personally know a few people that have ATC up here in northern alberta for work and for trap lines and i dont recall the trap line guys carrying 22's.
again dosnt say anything about dispatching of animals just wilderness protection.
LuckyLuc82
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I have one here in Ontario, issued for neusance work and trapping. Not a significant source of income, and I don't have a dedicated trap line. I'm in southern Ontario. Don't read the misinformation on this thread, if you're willing to do your homework you'll get one too.
Any regulations/procedures regarding firearms in this country are always a mess.
Wouldn't it be nice if they just made sense? It'd really be nice if you could call and get a black and white answer for ANYTHING from our government, but it seems you just get an ill-informed opinion from an individual rather than a written statement from "the books"
It is depressing what a joke our Feds conduct when it comes to anything firearm related.
Wouldn't it be nice if they just made sense? It'd really be nice if you could call and get a black and white answer for ANYTHING from our government, but it seems you just get an ill-informed opinion from an individual rather than a written statement from "the books"
It is depressing what a joke our Feds conduct when it comes to anything firearm related.
Much like criminals who use guns to commit crimes, poachers who illegally take game don't worry too much about the rules governing when and where you can take a firearm into the bush, or what firearms you might use. Newfoundland's poaching issues have little to do with our antiquated laws prohibiting shooting on Crown land without a valid permit and a lot more to do with traditional (if poorly reasoned) practises and lack of enforcement.
The RCMP precis lists trappers in the wilderness protection section. However if you look at the form, wilderness protection is a separate reason from trapping. Also the law lists trapping as a separate reason http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-207/fulltext.html
And at least in Alberta, Trapping regs discuss Handgun use for dispatching animals http://www.albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/genregs.html
Brutus
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Heard by rumor that the current Alberta CFO has usurped this allowance, with the excuse of 'more defined guidelines' or words/phases to that same effect. Regardless if the trapper legally owns a registered trapline in his or her name.
not sure if this true or not.......
