Tree stand thieves

Cleftwynd said:
The last fellow I found that blocked a road to prevent others from accessing the 50 km of roads behind him came back to find his truck in a very steep drainage ditch. After a long walk and a few calls from a cell he managed to retrieve it the next day with a wrecker. He won't be blocking roads I maintain anymore....

Another time, I had plowed a public boat launch (semi abandoned) mid winter for ice fishing. Plowed a large parking area and then a road about 1 km long across the lake to let others have easier access to a local fishing hole. Two days later I return to head out fishing, and someone had blocked the entrance off the highway with his pick-up and sled trailer, again, to have the lake to himself. Since I pack tire chains, and have a fairly heavy pick-up with decent clearance, I just plowed a road around him in the ditch. When I returned later that day, the truck was still there.

He had to call a wrecker to pull his truck and trailer out of 6 foot tall snow banks someone had plowed all around him while making a different access around his truck.



I have no sympathy for those that feel they are entitled to "own" crown land whenever or wherever they please and deny the right of other to use the same land.
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You're my hero.
 
Cleftwynd said:
The last fellow I found that blocked a road to prevent others from accessing the 50 km of roads behind him came back to find his truck in a very steep drainage ditch. After a long walk and a few calls from a cell he managed to retrieve it the next day with a wrecker. He won't be blocking roads I maintain anymore....

Another time, I had plowed a public boat launch (semi abandoned) mid winter for ice fishing. Plowed a large parking area and then a road about 1 km long across the lake to let others have easier access to a local fishing hole. Two days later I return to head out fishing, and someone had blocked the entrance off the highway with his pick-up and sled trailer, again, to have the lake to himself. Since I pack tire chains, and have a fairly heavy pick-up with decent clearance, I just plowed a road around him in the ditch. When I returned later that day, the truck was still there.

He had to call a wrecker to pull his truck and trailer out of 6 foot tall snow banks someone had plowed all around him while making a different access around his truck.



I have no sympathy for those that feel they are entitled to "own" crown land whenever or wherever they please and deny the right of other to use the same land.
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who said anything about blocking roads? Thats illigal. You know what a cut line is right?
genraly you can't drive down a cut line, maybe with a quad. parking in front of one isn't denying access to anything its making a statement that you are down there and that you are engaged in hunting. the only thing it blocks is people shooting from their trucks down the cut line....
 
LordEvilPepper said:
who said anything about blocking roads? Thats illigal. You know what a cut line is right?
genraly you can't drive down a cut line, maybe with a quad. parking in front of one isn't denying access to anything its making a statement that you are down there and that you are engaged in hunting. the only thing it blocks is people shooting from their trucks down the cut line....
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Maybe things are different where you hunt, which I doubt, but where I hunted, parking your truck IN a cutline road or across the entrance was considered a #### move.

Park off the side, out of the way.

Main reason being,that almost every cutline joins others, and the trail systems are extensive. By supposedly staking out the line as 'yours' you are blocking guys that like as not would not be in your way, or cross your path, though sometimes...they do. Big hairy deal. The way to avoid that is either buy your own land, or hunt so far in the sticks as to not have to worry about it. You don't have more right to be anywhere on public land, more than they do.

It's a big Ol' place out there on Crown land in Alberta. If you are having problems with folks wandering through your hunting spot, perhaps it's a poor choice of spots that you chose.

Cheers
Trev
 
Ok, if I was off to work, or off to go hunting, and some "#### move" type of person decided to park his pick-up to block access or "claim" a cut line, he had better hope I am not hauling a D9, or he might just find its a long walk home. And yes, I know what a cut line is, cutting lines for mining exploration or oil and gas was my job for years after high school.

If you can't be polite and share land that you are legally supposed to share, don't expect an "atta boy" from anyone, least of all those you are trying to keep out.
 
trevj said:
Maybe things are different where you hunt, which I doubt, but where I hunted, parking your truck IN a cutline road or across the entrance was considered a #### move.

Park off the side, out of the way.

Main reason being,that almost every cutline joins others, and the trail systems are extensive. By supposedly staking out the line as 'yours' you are blocking guys that like as not would not be in your way, or cross your path, though sometimes...they do. Big hairy deal. The way to avoid that is either buy your own land, or hunt so far in the sticks as to not have to worry about it. You don't have more right to be anywhere on public land, more than they do.

It's a big Ol' place out there on Crown land in Alberta. If you are having problems with folks wandering through your hunting spot, perhaps it's a poor choice of spots that you chose.

Cheers
Trev
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I park in such a way that people can't shoot at me from out of their truck window, they would have to at the very least get out and walk around...

as for the highlighted part about the cutlines, that my point, you can find another section of the massive crisscrossing cut lines to hunt very easy. Do you really need to sit and watch the same 200 meters I am? or are you incapable of finding another access point to a large network and need to tromp down through my hunting set ruining my hunt for the day? Or is it acceptable to shoot into my hide/stand while leaning on the box of my truck?

you complain about your rights as a hunter, and fellow land user, I have rights too.
I have the right to set up a hunt without interference,
I have a right to conduct a hunt without interference,
I have a right to enjoy my hunt without getting shots whipping overhead.

placing my truck in such a way as to announce to the world "hey I'm down here" is not monopolizing a forest as you claim, its ensuring my rights as a hunter are not infringed. My truck will be gone in a few hours I rarely hunt the same spot twice so if you feel my temporary claim on a 200 m stretch of cut line while I'm actively hunting it is absurd, its my right given to me by the wildlife act. Can you honestly say that you "shooting" "walking" or "driving through that cutline would not interfere with my hunt? Because it is illegal too interfere with a hunt and is a chargeable offense.

As for you cleftwynd,

You are posting on this forum that you will bulldoze any truck parked off the the side of the road that could be construed as a "#### move" type person. Infact you claim to have already done it.
Cleftwynd said:
The last fellow I found that blocked a road to prevent others from accessing the 50 km of roads behind him came back to find his truck in a very steep drainage ditch. After a long walk and a few calls from a cell he managed to retrieve it the next day with a wrecker. He won't be blocking roads I maintain anymore....
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I hope you realize that there is no law about parking on a cut line, but there is about destroying a persons truck. In alberta in late fall it would be -20 to -40 you are openly saying you would would leave them stranded without a vehicle in the middle of the forest out of cell phone range to teach them a lesson. A 70-100km walk to cell reception after dark.... Thats F###ing murder, most people will die if not be crippled for life from frost bite. You are condoning murder because you think no one has the right to a undisturbed hunt if god forbid you have to find another spot or access to your spot. I have never read a more idiotic or unsettling point of view in my life, welcome to my block list you are a immoral and despicable person.
 
simply parking your truck does not announce your presence anywhere near it, especially since it appears that you are concerned with others having access to these lines that can go on for hundreds of kilometers from the point where you parked your truck and decided to hunt on foot.

ettiquet would dictate you do not park your truck to impede other traffic on a trail or cut line and a person travelling down one where a truck is parked to the side of and is know to go on for miles beyond that point should be allowed to pass even if you are hunting a different section of it.

If not, I should simply be able to park my truck at the head to any forrest service road and get pissy about anyone who enters after me because they could have potentially shot me or ruined my hunt for my own stupidity of choosing a high traffic location due to it being the access to hundreds of miles of roads and trails.
 
Brian46 said:
simply parking your truck does not announce your presence anywhere near it, especially since it appears that you are concerned with others having access to these lines that can go on for hundreds of kilometers from the point where you parked your truck and decided to hunt on foot.

ettiquet would dictate you do not park your truck to impede other traffic on a trail or cut line and a person travelling down one where a truck is parked to the side of and is know to go on for miles beyond that point should be allowed to pass even if you are hunting a different section of it.

If not, I should simply be able to park my truck at the head to any forest service road and get pissy about anyone who enters after me because they could have potentially shot me or ruined my hunt for my own stupidity of choosing a high traffic location due to it being the access to hundreds of miles of roads and trails.
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but its not a high traffic area other then people racing up the roads shooting from their trucks.... and thats all my truck is blocking; people shooting from their windows. its not like you can drive down these lines, hell once the snow falls leaving the grade to park can be sketchy. I'm not blocking hundreds of kilometers... I guess you have never been in AB since that cutline crosses 50 gazillion lease roads and there are another zillion cut lines intersecting every other cut line. I'm literally stopping people from shooting from the road way for a 200-400 meter stretch of a cut line... if that.

These are not roads, some are geo lines barley 3 feet wide, and in most cases even a quad (that can go around my truck) can be hard pressed as muskeg, stumps and brush are impeding all motor vehicle traffic.

waterwheel said:
None of those give you the right to block access to crown land.
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you can still walk around my truck, its not like you can drive down most cut lines unless you want to rip the bottom of your truck out on a stump or sink into muskeg... even though that would be stupid because most people recognize that another hunter is in the area ( or someone who is working) and that if you bust their hunt you have broken the law.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
but its not a high traffic area other then people racing up the roads shooting from their trucks.... and thats all my truck is blocking; people shooting from their windows. its not like you can drive down these lines, hell once the snow falls leaving the grade to park can be sketchy. I'm not blocking hundreds of kilometers... I guess you have never been in AB since that cutline crosses 50 gazillion lease roads and there are another zillion cut lines intersecting every other cut line. I'm literally stopping people from shooting from the road way for a 200-400 meter stretch of a cut line... if that.

These are not roads, some are geo lines barley 3 feet wide, and in most cases even a quad (that can go around my truck) can be hard pressed as muskeg, stumps and brush are impeding all motor vehicle traffic.


you can still walk around my truck, its not like you can drive down most cut lines unless you want to rip the bottom of your truck out on a stump or sink into muskeg... even though that would be stupid because most people recognize that another hunter is in the area ( or someone who is working) and that if you bust their hunt you have broken the law.
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You're still wrong. You're not allowed to block my access to crown land, no matter how you justify it in your own mind. There simply is no answer where you get to block my access in.

What you're doing is a dickhead move, and there's enough dickhead hunters out there that it's on each of us to attempt to make sure you're not contributing to the problem. You might consider reconsidering what you're doing.
 
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waterwheel said:
You're still wrong. You're not allowed to block my access to crown land, no matter how you justify it in your own mind. There simply is no answer where you get to block my access in.

What you're doing is a dickhead move, and there's enough dickhead hunters out there that it's on each of to attempt to make sure you're not contributing to the problem. You might consider reconsidering what you're doing.
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Exactly.
 
The problem is that every situation is different. If there is lots of area past were you are parked then you can't block the road but if the road goes no where, another 500yds or so then I'd block it. Too many people will drive in on top of you road hunting and drive out again even though they know you are in there hunting.
I guess it depends on how much area there is to hunt where you are as well.
Alot of hunters and not much land...have to share.
Not many hunters compared to land available to hunt...no need to be driving in on top of someone
who is already in there, especialy if your just road hunting.
That's how I see it anyway.
A bit of courtesy goes a long way!
 
I never once stated I have or will destroy someone's property, if he can not read or comprehend what he reads, I guess I welcome being ignored by the ignorant.

Public property is exactly that, PUBLIC! Blocking access is blocking access, it's not up to him to decide how I access, or with what, when, or where. Saying "find another access point" only proves he is blocking access, and feels he is entitled to do so. Murder? Lol sheesh, this guy reads a lot into things he knows squat about.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
you complain about your rights as a hunter, and fellow land user, I have rights too.
I have the right to set up a hunt without interference,
I have a right to conduct a hunt without interference,
I have a right to enjoy my hunt without getting shots whipping overhead.
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Your so called rights do not trump anyone else's.
When you get the PETA lot protesting under your stand, you will have a case for saying that someone is "Interfering" with your hunt.
Try to remember that the ATV Club has a right to drive around and enjoy Crown Land too.

Save the self righteous crap.

Want to have a really interesting and informative conversation? Call the CO's next time another hunter walks through the clearing you have your stand on. Record it, so you can play it back a few times. You might learn something.

Cheers
Trev
 
Brian46 said:
what is the difference? If they were both left in the woods why does the vehicle not present a larger disturbance to a hunter than a treestand given the greater size and noise making ability?

Or are you a hypocrite that leaves their vehicle in the woods while hunting?
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I don't hunt crown land... I bought my own so that I wouldn't have to put up with people that think they own it because they slapped up a 100 dollar ladder stand.... and furthermore, if I did hunt crown land I wouldn't be a douche and park my truck across the access.... I'd be interested to see what your definition of "interfering with a hunt" is.... I am also interested in how some think you can be hunting without even being present..... The argument of "I put a tree stand up and therefore I am hunting" doesn't hold water...
 
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trevj said:
Save the self righteous crap.
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It's probably not self righteous. Probably just got tired of putting up with people screwing up his hunt. So it's understandable. It's just not justifiable.

The real solution to people busting up your hunt is to either put up with it or move locations. Those are your choices when hunting public land.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
but its not a high traffic area other then people racing up the roads shooting from their trucks.... and thats all my truck is blocking; people shooting from their windows. its not like you can drive down these lines, hell once the snow falls leaving the grade to park can be sketchy. I'm not blocking hundreds of kilometers... I guess you have never been in AB since that cutline crosses 50 gazillion lease roads and there are another zillion cut lines intersecting every other cut line. I'm literally stopping people from shooting from the road way for a 200-400 meter stretch of a cut line... if that.

These are not roads, some are geo lines barley 3 feet wide, and in most cases even a quad (that can go around my truck) can be hard pressed as muskeg, stumps and brush are impeding all motor vehicle traffic.


you can still walk around my truck, its not like you can drive down most cut lines unless you want to rip the bottom of your truck out on a stump or sink into muskeg... even though that would be stupid because most people recognize that another hunter is in the area ( or someone who is working) and that if you bust their hunt you have broken the law.
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why you would want to hunt in perfect sight of your truck parked in the cut line is your business, blocking a cut line with a vehicle to impede other vehicle traffic is just not right, not everyone drives a vehicle that is as incapable offroad as yours sounds from the above post.

Going by your statement "even though that would be stupid because most people recognize that another hunter is in the area ( or someone who is working) and that if you bust their hunt you have broken the law" any person driving by your parked vehicle because you choose to set up next to it or making any noise that is audible to you on crown land during a hunt is breaking the law..........
 
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