TRG22 vs PGW Coyote

[Colquhoun]

Slavex....is that round count of 13,000 on the original barrel?

 

[DG Photography]

Never seen the thread about this 1/2 club that people are talking about, I know my Sako will do that without much effort on my part, cold or hot. I've done it at the BCRA Sniper Champs in years past when shooting the dots of doom, so you know it's all witnessed and stuff by people like Ryan Steacey, Craig, Skullboy, 999 and others.
Here is my reason for the Sako TRG22 (I just finished cleaning mine after 1080 rounds took me maybe 20 minutes to clean the barrel), it features a cold hammer forged barrel, in my opinion hammer forged barrels are the best available. It features what I consider to be the best trigger system on the market,working with nicest and smoothest bolt system. The mag, also, the best mag on the market bar none. It fits me, and I love it's looks. Oh and it shoots, my match ammo, commercial match ammo, and even junk surplus ammo it throws it all down range with amazing accuracy. It is essentially a custom built rifle, in only a few calibers. I think the only place for doing a custom build would be to come in cheaper than the Sako or PGW, as I don't think any of the builders are going to make a rifle any better, in the same class that is.
As for the Coyote, well I hate the name, it should have been more menacing, Direwolf or something. Plus the guys who build it area a bunch of salad tossers who spend their lunch time watching old Miley Cyrus videos, you know, the Hannah Montana ones? I'm also told one of them may have a pony tail now, would you really buy a rifle made by them? If if the Ski Team or the Cold Sores guys are using them?

Ok, seriously now, I love Steve and Ross like my brothers. They are great guys, and their rifles are top notch, I just happen to prefer how the TRG fits me. I've had a ton fun with some agency Coyotes, and they are everything you've heard, super accurate, well built and backed by a solid Canadian company with a great reputation. They will make you happy if you buy one of their guns.

Pony tail!!!! Thats funny!

Winnipeg mullet and pony tail;-). Still better then the Hamilton skullet LOL!

 

[sylencer]

I've noticed ppl with TRGs with different barrels. I was just wondering what time of barrel it is? Is it sakos own personal barrels or another company? I Know the Coyote comes with a kreiger barrel. Also what are each of their trigger styles called? I wonder if its possible to get the trg trigger set up into a coyote?

 

[2bad4u2]

They're simply aftermarket barrels threaded and chambered for the TRG action. It's nothing new that's for sure.

The TRG trigger and PGW are not compatible as far as I know.

I know it's hard but don't over-analyze this. If it's a TRG you want, then you'll never go wrong with one. There's a number of guys on here who have extensive experience with TRG's and they're recommending you buy one. Personally, that would be good enough to me. Someone with 13,000 rounds down the tube of his rifle likely knows what he's talking about.

 

[marcoman]

They're simply aftermarket barrels threaded and chambered for the TRG action. It's nothing new that's for sure.

The TRG trigger and PGW are not compatible as far as I know.

I know it's hard but don't over-analyze this. If it's a TRG you want, then you'll never go wrong with one. There's a number of guys on here who have extensive experience with TRG's and they're recommending you buy one. Personally, that would be good enough to me. Someone with 13,000 rounds down the tube of his rifle likely knows what he's talking about.

Amen.

 

[Slavex]

I would t say I know what I'm talking about Pistols yes, rifles are now my secondary shooter. And yes, that's 13000 out of the factory barrel. And it still shoots. I would guess the count could be out as much as 1000 rounds though, plus or minus, as I have 3 data books for that rifle and some info could be duplicated. But honestly I've shot a lot of very good scores with that rifle at the BC Tactical/Sniper shoots, and it's never been the rifle or load's fault when it wasn't a good a score. Can you say "yank and twitch"?
I'd say, get behind a couple rifles of different styles and see what you like best.

 

[DG Photography]

^^^^This^^^^

 

[2bad4u2]

I'd say, get behind a couple rifles of different styles and see what you like best.

Easy to say, not so easy to do. Depends on where you live. For a lot of us, it's a buy & try affair for even mainstream run-of-the-mill firearms, let alone those that are as specialized and expensive as the TRG and Coyote.

 

[sylencer]

I'm fortunate enough to get to hit up the range tomorrow and try out a Coyote or two. Its going to come down to comfort behind the rifle. So hopefully tomorrow afternoon/evening I'll have posted my decision

 

[MUGEN]

For those who have experience on both, what are the difference in terms of structure and design?
One thing interesting on the Coyote is that the barrel is not fully free float which imho is not commonly seen on most precision rifle.

 

[yukoncoyote]

Looks pretty floated on mine. There is a giant chunk of barrel that is bedded in for a little ways, but I would think that just by the sheer mass of it there would be no difference. Wide open everywhere else.

I find it makes a kind of "tuning fork" noise when I fire it. Puts a smile on my face every time.

 

[swissinn]

Ya most are bedded up to and including the chamber. But never further than that.

 

[jugi16]

For those who have experience on both, what are the difference in terms of structure and design?
One thing interesting on the Coyote is that the barrel is not fully free float which imho is not commonly seen on most precision rifle.

Wrong.....the barrel is free floated. There are a lot of smiths that bed an inch after the recoil lug and a lot that don't on precision rifles.

 

[NormB]

Wrong.....the barrel is free floated. There are a lot of smiths that bed an inch after the recoil lug and a lot that don't on precision rifles.

If the chamber area is bedded, then by definition the barrel is not fully free floated. QED

NormB

 

[MUGEN]

Wrong.....the barrel is free floated. There are a lot of smiths that bed an inch after the recoil lug and a lot that don't on precision rifles.

The first two inches after the action is bedded on the Coyote.
I am just not sure if the TRG do it the same?

 

[yukoncoyote]

Call it whatever you want, it works. And works damn well.

 

[Colquhoun]

I can't think of one rifle that I have seen built by various reputable smiths or companys that isn't bedded an inch or two past the recoil lug and yes this is considered fully free floated if there is no barrel contact forward of this.
If you guys are calling this to not be free floated, you're getting too hung up on literal definition.

 

[2bad4u2]

+1. All of my rifles that are properly bedded are done this way.

 

[Tomochan]

Both of my F-Class rifles are bedded this way.

 

[NormB]

I can't think of one rifle that I have seen built by various reputable smiths or companys that isn't bedded an inch or two past the recoil lug and yes this is considered fully free floated if there is no barrel contact forward of this.
If you guys are calling this to not be free floated, you're getting too hung up on literal definition.

IMO, No competitive benchrest gunsmith would construct, or competitive benchrest shooter would accept, a rifle with any portion of the barrel bedded. Its not done to increase accuracy, but as a crutch to improve the stock/action combo that may so flimsy they can't be bedded securely enough without the additional support. I don't bed any part of my f-class rifle barrels either. I don't need the stock interferring with the barrel vibrations. Hey, I wish all my competitors would bed their barrels.

NormB