TRG22 vs PGW Coyote

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Bedding a couple inches of the barrel is quite common on repeater actions, trying to make up for the lost contact area. A Crutch as NormB said, and I don't think its a bad thing, sometimes you have to.
Not an issue in the benchrest and competition shooting as most use single shots. There's also some rifles that shoot well using a barrel clamp down and an unsupported action...

The effects of accuracy difference and how relevant it is can be debated but in the end it either shoots to the users satisfaction or it does not, and if it doesn't you find which factor is causing the problem, and sometimes the problem has his finger on the trigger.
 
I just checked my 260 coyote folder and without removing it from the stock I can see what looks like bedding supporting the barrel in the chamber area for about 2-3 inches. I have only had it for a couple of weeks and only had it at the range once for 20 rounds and they were only 3 and 4 shot groups (just checking pressure) but all the groups were sub 0.50" at 100y most were 0.30 to 0.40". It shoots no worse than my fully floated tubegun, xlr chasis or macmillan Rem 700's which are all 6.5's (either 260 or 6.5x47L). Now I am no expert shooter, I have shot a few f class matches in Kingston (one with NormB).

If I had thought of it before it might have given me some pause before buying the Coyote but I have used a friend's 308 Coyote and timberwolf and the results suggest that bedding a portion of the barrel doesn't not seem to cause a reduced level of accuracy. Perhaps as the barrel heats up or temps change it could. I had always thought that you should free float the barrel. I am actually happy it isn't free floated because it is something new to learn about and experiment with.

I hope to shoot out the barrel on the Coyote in the next few years so hopefully I will find out the answer.
 
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NormB said:
IMO, No competitive benchrest gunsmith would construct, or competitive benchrest shooter would accept, a rifle with any portion of the barrel bedded. Its not done to increase accuracy, but as a crutch to improve the stock/action combo that may so flimsy they can't be bedded securely enough without the additional support. I don't bed any part of my f-class rifle barrels either. I don't need the stock interferring with the barrel vibrations. Hey, I wish all my competitors would bed their barrels. :D

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Yes but your guns only function in Golf course conditions and were not designed to be carried around:) You are going to make me post the F-Class bi- pod picture aren't you ;-)
 
I am not starting a debate on bedding method, just wanna compare a typical PGW rifle with the TRG or AI in terms of pro and con.
 
MUGEN said:
I am not starting a debate on bedding method, just wanna compare a typical PGW rifle with the TRG or AI in terms of pro and con.
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There are not really any pros and cons when it comes to those three, there are all top notch but they do have some differences:

- 60 degree bolt throw compared to 90 degrees.
- Single stack mags compared to double stack mags.
- Bedding as opposed to a chassis system.

Other than that its kind of like Ferrari vs Lambo, both are extremely nice rides.
 
I've heard mention of number of rounds the trg barrel can take before needing replacing. Does anybody have experience with the number of rounds the Krieger can take? Also, price of replacing the two with their same barrel?
 
sylencer said:
I've heard mention of number of rounds the trg barrel can take before needing replacing. Does anybody have experience with the number of rounds the Krieger can take? Also, price of replacing the two with their same barrel?
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Most .308 Win. barrels have accurate barrel life between 5k-8k rounds. Depending on a variety of factors of course. I've never heard of a barrel going 13k rounds before reading this thread. In any event, you can expect somewhere around $500 for the barrel plus the cost of chambering and threading the barrel. How much a gunsmith charges is up to them but it's typically +/- $250 to do so.
 
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I've heard mention of number of rounds the trg barrel can take before needing replacing. Does anybody have experience with the number of rounds the Krieger can take? Also, price of replacing the two with their same barrel?
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308's last forever dude. Even a thousand dollar Savage can put 10,000 down the pipe. I got to 7500rds with my 10BA with no loss of accuracy. Kreiger is 10 times better than a Savage bbl no doubt.
 
We have several C3 Rifles in our vault at work with literally tens of thousands of rounds fired. Still sub MOA guns. Anything is possible
 
Sylencer you troll better than Caramel. If you need 18 pages of CDN gun putz to decide on a Coyote / TRG you shouldn't own one.

Folks but this may have become the dumbest post of 2013/2014.
 
Getting back to the original post of Sylencer; I first got the precision / long range bug by shooting a suppressed Coyote on gongs out to 400m last year. After doing my own research I decided to go with a TRG-22. A year later I still love it and hit gongs out to 1000 yards. I paid 2900$ for it from Dante's in Montreal then convinced my best friend to get rid of his Browning A-bolt and buy a TRG too after trying it out. It is just a great rifle as you know and one of the best production precision rifles out there. As for price... Yes some stores really over price. Here in Quebec city, the store SAIL has a TRG-42 in 300 win mag for $3000!! They've had it for over a year and dropped $500 off the price to try to get it off the rack. Now even here in Quebec the shipping and taxes will still be way less than some of the other stores over pricing. As for the muzzle brake, Dante's might still have some ($250), and a 20 MOA rail is available at Grouse River ($150).
I hope my 2 cents help you reconnect with your original sweetheart and get some trigger time!!
 
jugi16 said:
Sylencer you troll better than Caramel. If you need 18 pages of CDN gun putz to decide on a Coyote / TRG you shouldn't own one.

Folks but this may have become the dumbest post of 2013/2014.
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I don't think the OP is trolling necessarily, however, based on the questions he's asking it appears his experience level isn't quite up to the level of expectation that one would assume would be there for someone willing to drop $4k-$5k on a rifle. It's analogous to get getting your beginner driver's license and and buying a Porche 911 for your first car.

OP, you might want to take a step back and look at something more realistic like a heavy barreled Remington or Savage to get you started in the precision rifle game.
 
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