Tried out the new scope.

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New to me, that is, it's a 4x Lyman All American, which I will guess has been in this world for about fifty years. I got it from Why Not, a month or two ago, but just got around to trying it out.
I put it on my Husqvarna 30-06, which I have stated on these threads before, I bought new in December, 1949, shortly after the Husqvarna sporting rifles were first exported to Canada. In those 62 years the rifle, with it's blued barrel and Beechwood stock, has been bashed around on a good many mountains and much bush, in good weather and bad.
On one horse trip we were packed up and set to go home, with the horses tied to a rail. I leaned the rifle up against the rail, while I was going to untie my horse. I got called away for something, returned five minutes later, to see my rifle, this rifle, in the water and mud, with a big foot from a pack horse on the barrel! A week or so later I went on a goat hunt, before I had a chance to check the sighting of the Lyman 48 aperature on it. I took a shot at a rock a couple hundred yards away, hit it, so carried on and later in the day, killed a goat with it.
I now put the old Lyman scope on it and bore sighted it at the range, at 100 metres. Fired one shot at 25, which was too close to change, so shot these three at 100 metres, before I looked at the target.
Ted told me that Lyman AA scope had about the best, most precise asjustments that he had seen on any scope. This was sure proven on adjusting while bore sighting. It just moved exactly where it was supposed to.
The group measures abodut .62".
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New to me, that is, it's a 4x Lyman All American, which I will guess has been in this world for about fifty years. I got it from Why Not, a month or two ago, but just got around to trying it out.
I put it on my Husqvarna 30-06, which I have stated on these threads before, I bought new in December, 1949, shortly after the Husqvarna sporting rifles were first exported to Canada. In those 62 years the rifle, with it's blued barrel and Beechwood stock, has been bashed around on a good many mountains and much bush, in good weather and bad.
On one horse trip we were packed up and set to go home, with the horses tied to a rail. I leaned the rifle up against the rail, while I was going to untie my horse. I got called away for something, returned five minutes later, to see my rifle, this rifle, in the water and mud, with a big foot from a pack horse on the barrel! A week or so later I went on a goat hunt, before I had a chance to check the sighting of the Lyman 48 aperature on it. I took a shot at a rock a couple hundred yards away, hit it, so carried on and later in the day, killed a goat with it.
I now put the old Lyman scope on it and bore sighted it at the range, at 100 metres. Fired one shot at 25, which was too close to change, so shot these three at 100 metres, before I looked at the target.
Ted told me that Lyman AA scope had about the best, most precise asjustments that he had seen on any scope. This was sure proven on adjusting while bore sighting. It just moved exactly where it was supposed to.
The group measures abodut .62".
HU002.jpg


Looks like the old equipment still has it where it counts!
No need to rush out and buy a Tikka T-3 just yet ;)
 
Looks like it is going to work just fine, Bruce!!
I shot a number of moose with a Remington 30-06 that had the same optics on it, except it had a 3 minute Dot in it. Always was pleased with it's operation.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
Good on you at your young age to be able to see the darn
target at a hundred with a 4X. :D
Nothing easier than sighting in a single power scope.
And to use the long lived formula as well. :O
 
Thats a nice group Bruce, would you care to share the load info ?

One of my hunting mentors when I was growing up was a War Vet whose hunting rifle, a Mod. 54 Winchester carried a 2 1/2 X Lyman Alaskan.
When his younger brother came home from Saskatoon with a 4X Lyman like yours, he shook his head and remarked " thats an awful lot of magnification to put on a hunting rifle ."...... how things have changed eh ?
I was at the range today with my Ruger #1 wearing a 3X Leupold and a fellow shooter said to me.. " thats ridiculous, you might as well use irons, hope you don't try shooting anything over 50 yds."
He had nothing further to say when we checked our targets and mine were easily the equal of his and his glass was cranked to 14X. :)
 
Thats a nice group Bruce, would you care to share the load info ?

One of my hunting mentors when I was growing up was a War Vet whose hunting rifle, a Mod. 54 Winchester carried a 2 1/2 X Lyman Alaskan.
When his younger brother came home from Saskatoon with a 4X Lyman like yours, he shook his head and remarked " thats an awful lot of magnification to put on a hunting rifle ."...... how things have changed eh ?
I was at the range today with my Ruger #1 wearing a 3X Leupold and a fellow shooter said to me.. " thats ridiculous, you might as well use irons, hope you don't try shooting anything over 50 yds."
He had nothing further to say when we checked our targets and mine were easily the equal of his and his glass was cranked to 14X. :)

You probably know my theory on loads. If they are going to be consistent, you have to load them up.
Bullets were 180 grain Grand Slam and the charge was 57.5 grains of IMR 4350. (This is not a reccommendation for anyone to use. I am just stating what my load was.)
Peoples attitudes toward magnicication of hunting scopes has changed drastically, since scopes became popular in that fifteen, or so, year period after WW2, when shooting and hunting was the in thing to do. Me thinks advertising to sell scopes had more to do with it, than anything else!
In the big stories written in the glossy American magazines of successful, long hunts, in the mountains of Alaska, Yukon or northern BC, it was very common to read that the scopes used were either 2.5 power Lyman Alaskan or 4x Lyman AA, or often K2.5 or K4 Weavers. They certainly brought back the trophies.
Jack O'Connor once wrote that for all normal types of hunting, He thought 4 power was about right. Later, when variables became popuar, old Jack stated he couldn't see any point in a variable, because he always left his set at 4 power, anyway!
 
Looks like a great setup H4831, and good shooting! I have always prefered older scopes, especially steel tube ones; Weaver K3's are my favorite. I have been curious about the Lyman Alaskans but never seen one. I was out at the range today as well, I am heading out moose hunting here in a couple days and plan to take my husky 4100 in .308. It is outfitted with a williams FP sight, here is a group from today with 150 grn speers:

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And yesterday with 180 grn hornady's:

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And my husky 7x57 with a Weaver K3:

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I find the older simpler hunting hardware very appealing and they are still very good hunting tools!

PS please disregard the load data next to my targets, these loads are proven safe only in my personal rifles.
 
There have been some great improvements in scopes in the last 50-odd years, in that they are much more forgiving and easier to sight through, and have better field of view than ever.
But that doesn't change the fact that the old Lyman and Weaver and Redfield scopes were built to last, and made as well as the technology would allow. I have a Weaver K2.5 on my old 336 Marlin and it has helped me shoot some dandy groups. Not as tight as those ones, though! Nice shooting!
 
What a coincidence Bruce !
The load you posted is a pet load of my old '06 too.
That load and the same bullet over 58.0 gr. H4831 are tackdrivers...

No end of coincidences. When I looked at my notes to think of what I would load, my usual load was 58 grains, but when I made up these loads I dropped it half grain!
Also, the same charge of Norma 204 is at least as accurate, about 50 to 60 fps faster, and still no sign of excess pressure, whatsoever.
I fondled my last can of N204, then went to the new IMR 4350.
Bruce
 
Good shooting Bruce and also congrats on a fine old steel tube scope. Oh, IMR 4350 is my 'go to' powder for the Husqvarna light weight '06 I inherited from my Dad although I'm in at 56grs.

On old Weaver steel tube scopes, not long ago I acquired an older Weaver 'goodie, a Weaver V9-1, 3-9 variable. What I'll put it on I don't know;) but I'm sure something will come up.
 
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