Tried trap shooting and want to get a suitable gun for it.

Gnome75 said:
Yes I am on a budget. I was looking at a cooey because of the price. I am willing to move to the 300 range but that's about it.

Very annoying having people come in and tell me to just go drop 1000 on a gun as if its no big deal
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True dat... That is why you weed out all the bad advice and go with the good suggestions. Take it as either good or bad but there are over unders in your price range that are better quality than a Biakal. For example, you can pick up a Laurona Aurona for between 300 to 500.

People are just not aware that Laurona use to make the Winchester 101. I bought a bnib Aurona for $500 and it is identical down to the engraving to my 101. Made in the same factory and most likely on the same line. With taxes my 101 was edging close to 2gs. My mind was blown.
 
Garaldtao said:
True dat... That is why you weed out all the bad advice and go with the good suggestions. Take it as either good or bad but there are over unders in your price range that are better quality than a Biakal. For example, you can pick up a Laurona Aurona for between 300 to 500.

People are just not aware that Laurona use to make the Winchester 101. I bought a bnib Aurona for $500 and it is identical down to the engraving to my 101. Made in the same factory and most likely on the same line. With taxes my 101 was edging close to 2gs. My mind was blown.
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I am a fan of Winchester so I could maybe stretch to 500 if I save for a bit. Where do you find an Aurona?
 
Gnome75 said:
Yes I am on a budget. I was looking at a cooey because of the price. I am willing to move to the 300 range but that's about it.

Very annoying having people come in and tell me to just go drop 1000 on a gun as if its no big deal
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They are people with lots of experience trying to save you $$ and frustrstion in the end. If getting sound advice from experienced shooters annoys you maybe you shouldn’t ask for advice?
 
Garaldtao said:
True dat... That is why you weed out all the bad advice and go with the good suggestions. Take it as either good or bad but there are over unders in your price range that are better quality than a Biakal. For example, you can pick up a Laurona Aurona for between 300 to 500.

People are just not aware that Laurona use to make the Winchester 101. I bought a bnib Aurona for $500 and it is identical down to the engraving to my 101. Made in the same factory and most likely on the same line. With taxes my 101 was edging close to 2gs. My mind was blown.
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In what time period did Laurona make the 101? It may have shared that name but it was not a “true” 101. There is good reason many of those outsourced new releases were extremely short lived!
 
I am not aware of Laurona making the Win 101? All the older original 101's I've seen or owned were made in Japan, not Spain. BTW - Court is out whether the newer Belgian made Winchester 101's live up to the reputation of the older Kodensha made name-sakes.
FWIW - I own several high end sporting shotguns. I also own several Baikal shotguns, including a sporting version of the O/U that I paid 500$ for. I've shot several thousand rounds through it without issue, including no noticeable wear in the areas that O/U's are prone to. Yes - they may be a bit light on aesthetics, but the mechanical engineer in me recognizes that these guns are very well made for the price point.
OP - Stretching you budget to 500$ will give you a lot more viable options. You have to bear in mind that in the world of reasonable quality high-volume shooting shotguns, $1000 represents a modest purchase. So its natural for people to point you in this direction.
 
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the spank said:
In what time period did Laurona make the 101? It may have shared that name but it was not a “true” 101. There is good reason many of those outsourced new releases were extremely short lived!
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Mid 1960s. It was during the transistion from the 91 which sold strictly in Europe to the 101. The Laurona's during this period were not copies in the Norinco sense of the word and they weren't clones because they were making guns for Winchester and taking the same gun and putting their name on them.

I don't know anything about Spanish copy right or trademark laws, all I know is that I have 2 guns that are in all respect except 1, are identical. Neighsayers, please, please pass on these guns so there are more for me.
 
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Garaldtao said:
Mid 1960s. It was during the transistion from the 91 which sold strictly in Europe to the 101. The Laurona's during this period were not copies in the Norinco sense of the word and they weren't clones because they were making guns for Winchester and taking the same gun and putting their name on them.

I don't know anything about Spanish copy right or trademark laws, all I know is that I have 2 guns that are in all respect except 1, are identical. Neighsayers, please, please pass on these guns so there are more for me.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are sadly mistaken. The 101 was introduced in 1963 in 12ga and was manufactured for Winchester by the Kodensha firearms of Japan under the licensed brand name of Olin-Kodensha. If you don’t believe that you can look it up on Winchesters own historic timeline. Here is an article about it from Petersens hunting....by the way I own a 60’s vintage Laurona o/u and it has ZERO in common with any 101’s I have ever owned.

http://www.petersenshunting.com/uncategorized/forty-six-hunting-seasons-with-the-winchester-101/
 
Another one for "shoot the pump gun"

When I got back into this a few years ago I quickly bought a Browning 725.

That gun barely gets used now.

I shoot field grade pumps and semi autos almost exclusively. All of those old 2.75" full choke guns that no one can sell for more than $300 because no one wants them any more.

Yes I'm casual, but I still clear 23+ on an average round. Why? Because I've put thousands of rounds through those guns and took any advice and coaching that was willingly given when I began.

I've started shooting doubles trap, so far just with a 1960's 870. Also got an 18" riot barrel for it from SFRC which converts it into a dandy skeet gun.
 
the spank said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are sadly mistaken. The 101 was introduced in 1963 in 12ga and was manufactured for Winchester by the Kodensha firearms of Japan under the licensed brand name of Olin-Kodensha. If you don’t believe that you can look it up on Winchesters own historic timeline. Here is an article about it from Petersens hunting....by the way I own a 60’s vintage Laurona o/u and it has ZERO in common with any 101’s I have ever owned.

http://www.petersenshunting.com/uncategorized/forty-six-hunting-seasons-with-the-winchester-101/
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You could bear all the bad news that you want but the good news is that you are wrong, in so far as the fact that you do not see the bigger picture. You are thinking US market only, you have to think European. In the past, such as today, Canada is in a unique position where we do benifit from being able to import guns from markets that are banded from the US.

The 91 was never imported into the US. The 101 was first introduced in Europe as the replacement for the 91. Laurona made Winchester are highly praised by European shooters who historically had greater interest in clay sport than Americans. Americans won the west and cut their teeth with centre fired rifles more so than with beautique shotguns. American shotguns were utilitarian and crude by European standards. Looking at an American web page for information about Laurona's is like searching a US site for information on a Norinco m305 or NP29, it doesn't exist or if it does exist, the information is completely wrong and filled with biases.

And if this is a pissing contest, here is an European web site;

http://http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/over-under-shotguns-for-less-than-350
 
Cant get the link to work. Internet searches reveal that the 91 was made by Laurona for Winchester, but we're talking about the 101, which is a different kettle of fish. Are you in possession of a bona fide Laurona made 101?
 
More you gonna buy an expensive shotgun, more pleasure and better you will be, they are like racecars.
 
Gnome75 said:
Yes I am on a budget. I was looking at a cooey because of the price. I am willing to move to the 300 range but that's about it.

Very annoying having people come in and tell me to just go drop 1000 on a gun as if its no big deal
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With that budget, stick to your pump.

No offense meant at all but Trap is not a cheap sport and the guys who are serious have no issue spending $10-15k on a shotgun. I shot my semi-auto I already had for birds at trap for a couple years before I saved and decided to buy a Browning XT. It was used, but by a friend of mine for a couple years so I knew the gun. It still set me back $2k but definitely worth it.

DO NOT buy a cheap Over-under if you plan to shoot lots of trap. I've seen way too many times that they break or go down simply because they aren't built to handle hundreds or thousands of rounds in a year.
 
cosmic said:
Cant get the link to work. Internet searches reveal that the 91 was made by Laurona for Winchester, but we're talking about the 101, which is a different kettle of fish. Are you in possession of a bona fide Laurona made 101?
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Yup... I do however wish that I owned a 91 because by all counts the Brits prefer the 91 in terms of fit and finish and just overall quality. Would like to see for myself. Lets try that link again.

http://http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/over-under-shotguns-for-less-than-350
 
Garaldtao said:
Yup... I do however wish that I owned a 91 because by all counts the Brits prefer the 91 in terms of fit and finish and just overall quality. Would like to see for myself. Lets try that link again.

http://http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/over-under-shotguns-for-less-than-350
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The only Laurona manufactured Winchester I can see in online research is the model 91 and that is no 101 clone by any means. I’ll have to dig out the Laurona O/U I have and see what model it is. If memory serves my hunting partner from when I was a teenager had bought the gun around 1968 @ Sears. His Browning double auto was stolen and he replaced it with the Laurona. My father bought it from my hunting partner when I was about 17 or 18, thats 36 years ago and Dad decided a few years ago to give it to me. I tucked it away just as a keepsake. It hasn’t been fired in well over 30+ years?
 
Ya got too many http's going in that link..... Having read it, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? The link confirms that Laurona made the model 91 for Winchester, for the European market.
 
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