Trigger Upgrade to compensate for crappy trigger pull?

[qch777]

So despite my best efforts, my groupings always end up falling towards the bottom left of the target...from both my own research and my instructor, it seems like its because I'm anticipating the shot and pulling the trigger jerkily instead of squeezing it with constant pressure.

The last month I kept on practicing dry fire at home and trigger manipulation daily, went to the range today, ended up with the same results.

Needless to say I am pretty disappointed with myself right now.

If I got a crisper, lighter trigger from APEX or Timney, would that help?

I have a Sig P320 and a Glock 48 at the moment.

 

[Breensy]

My personal opinion. The longer you use a crappy trigger, gives you that much more practice.

I intentionally shot a crappy sd9ve trigger (8lbs) for a year just to train my trigger finger. Then once you switch to good trigger you see massive improvement.


If you start off on a good trigger, anytime you use a firearm with a bad trigger again you will be back to square one.

Edit to add: i used the mantis X training system for a few months and that helped a huge amount with the fundamentals. Also I find shooting 22lr pistols helps with training out recoil anticipation.

 

[5.45]

An "out of the box" P320 won't hold you back.

When you dry fire, do you squeeze the trigger slowwwwly without disturbing the sight picture at all? Put a stack of pennies on the front sight blade and try again.

Do you maintain constant pressure front-to-back with the other three fingers? Can you truly isolate the trigger finger movement? Our nervous system is wired to curl all fingers simultaneously, i.e. when your trigger finger bends, your other fingers may be increasing the grip - this is what pulls the hits down. It takes practice to decouple finger movements, whether you are shooting or playing piano.

What is your support hand doing? This pair of videos explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcYKnczzrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfALyAGtnQ Watch other Kita's videos - she is an excellent coach.

If you want to make the P320 even better, I recommend Grayguns trigger kit and fat guide rod: the upgraded sear in the kit removes grittiness, the trigger shoe minimizes pre- and post-travel, and with the GG guide rod, P320 accepts 1911 recoil springs (spring weight should be optimized for the ammo). Most P320 use Glock-like captured recoil spring, Legions come with GG rod stock.

 

[qch777]

My personal opinion. The longer you use a crappy trigger, gives you that much more practice.

I intentionally shot a crappy sd9ve trigger (8lbs) for a year just to train my trigger finger. Then once you switch to good trigger you see massive improvement.


If you start off on a good trigger, anytime you use a firearm with a bad trigger again you will be back to square one.

Edit to add: i used the mantis X training system for a few months and that helped a huge amount with the fundamentals. Also I find shooting 22lr pistols helps with training out recoil anticipation.

Thanks so much! I just went ahead and bought a mantis, can't wait to try it out.

 

[qch777]

An "out of the box" P320 won't hold you back.

When you dry fire, do you squeeze the trigger slowwwwly without disturbing the sight picture at all? Put a stack of pennies on the front sight blade and try again.

Do you maintain constant pressure front-to-back with the other three fingers? Can you truly isolate the trigger finger movement? Our nervous system is wired to curl all fingers simultaneously, i.e. when your trigger finger bends, your other fingers may be increasing the grip - this is what pulls the hits down. It takes practice to decouple finger movements, whether you are shooting or playing piano.

What is your support hand doing? This pair of videos explains it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcYKnczzrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKfALyAGtnQ Watch other Kita's videos - she is an excellent coach.

If you want to make the P320 even better, I recommend Grayguns trigger kit and fat guide rod: the upgraded sear in the kit removes grittiness, the trigger shoe minimizes pre- and post-travel, and with the GG guide rod, P320 accepts 1911 recoil springs (spring weight should be optimized for the ammo). Most P320 use Glock-like captured recoil spring, Legions come with GG rod stock.

Thank you! I have been putting a 9mm bullet casing on top of my gun when I practice dry fire, with the goal of keeping the bullet steady. I will check out the videos later today.

Lastly, would you recommend the Graygun trigger kit over APEX? Any reason to chose one over the other?

 

[snooze98k]

Practice means repetition.
Practice 10minutes a day, every day, no exceptions for three weeks before you can expect to see "change"

"Change" does not mean improvment.
Under stress, you will revert to old habits.
There is not replacment for live fire when learning recoil managment.


You should start slow
Pull the trigger back as slow as you can until the shot surprises you.
If it takes you 3minutes, to break 10shots with tired arms, so be it.
Now, repeat, 1000rounds.

I promise you'll see improvment if you maintain those instructions, with no shortcutting.