Tristar vs Weatherby

72mustang said:
I know what your saying... but if manufacturers can sell copy's of more expensive ones at 1/3 the cost... then yes, a $1500-2000 semi is overpriced. There is not much in sense of materials to make one.... so I ca not justify paying the cost for a $2000. Would I love to have one? Hell yes. But I also don't have money to spend like that either. Will my $100 timex or Cardinal watch keep,same time as a $1000 Rolex? Yup.
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You $100.00 Timex will keep better time than a Rolex and day of the week, month, year...
Buy the 1100...You'll be shooting more and reading less.
Rob
 
I wonder where that Internet myth Armsans A 612, A620, Tristar semis and Asena zr7 are vitually identical to the Weatherby is coming from? Plain and simple BS.

I own both an Armsan and a Weatherby SA-08. The Weatherby's internal design is very different utilizing a recoil spring in the butt stock and the others don't. Armsan and Tristar follow the internal design of Mossberg semis.

The Weatherby is twice the gun for $200 more or less when you get it on a sale.
 
riversrest said:
Armsan and Tristar follow the internal design of Mossberg semis.
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Wrong

The Mossberg SA20 is an Armsan A620. Mossberg contracted Armsan to build their 20g semi. As for the other Mossberg semi’s, being the 930 and 935....they are completely different. The 930/935 have the recoil spring inside the stock and the bolt assembly and entire gas system is completely different. The 930/935 are designed and built by Mossberg in the USA.
 
Yes, the Mossberg SA20 has the same design as the Armsans and the Tristars. I don't know what was first the egg or the hen?

Fact is the Weatherby design is different from the Armsans and the Tristars. Saying they are virtually the same is some sort of a sales pitch BS.
 
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Armsan was making those guns long before Mossberg came knocking on their door asking for them to build them a 20g

There are way more similarities between the Weatherby's than there have ever been with the 12g Mossberg semi's
 
While I love the remington 1100 for the way it fits me and how well I shoot them in their out of the box form, the design is no longer anywhere near modern. I agree that going used can get you a much better gun than the Turkish options. Now of the Turkish gas guns I'd choose the Weatherby, just because it fits me good.
Myself I'd rather buy a 870 Wingmaster or BPS that is proven and I know I can get parts and repairs for if ever needed. For some reason we're moving away from well crafted reliable pumps as the mainstay of the NA sportsman's and gambling on semiauto's for the same money that may not be as well finished or reliable.
 
Buy a second hand Remington 11-87 or Winchester SX-3 and be done with it. Although they rarely break, parts are readily available and you'l never wear one out in a lifetime of hunting .....I am still trying.
 
riversrest said:
I wonder where that Internet myth Armsans A 612, A620, Tristar semis and Asena zr7 are vitually identical to the Weatherby is coming from? Plain and simple BS.

I own both an Armsan and a Weatherby SA-08. The Weatherby's internal design is very different utilizing a recoil spring in the butt stock and the others don't. Armsan and Tristar follow the internal design of Mossberg semis.

The Weatherby is twice the gun for $200 more or less when you get it on a sale.
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Mine is coming from the fact that the retailer instructed me to use the Weatherby manual. The only differences I could notice was the recoil spring as you mention (which I prefer the spring around the mag tube anyways) and the fact that Weatherby ships a second gas piston in case the gun won't cycle target loads. My Asena runs target loads without issue so clearly I don't need the second piston.

As far as other things go, watching a YouTube video on the Weatherby disassembly told me exactly how to dissemble my Asena... And everyone knows the Weatherby is made in Turkey and that Turkish factories pump out multiple brands with slight differences, so it seems reasonable to believe that some of the Turkish semis are in fact basically the same as the Weatherby.
 
^^Take them both completely apart (WBY and Asena) and you will find out that they are in fact NOT "basically the same". Sales pitch BS.... and nobody cares about your preference for the spring around the tube. If you prefer the inferior system and craftsmanship good for you.
 
riversrest said:
^^Take them both completely apart (WBY and Asena) and you will find out that they are in fact NOT "basically the same". Sales pitch BS.... and nobody cares about your preference for the spring around the tube. If you prefer the inferior system and craftsmanship good for you.
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You're right. My Asena has two action bars connecting the bolt to the gas system not just one. Clearly it's the worse design.

Edit - as for craftsmanship, I'm assuming you've dissembled a few Asena to make such a claim?
 
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Falconflyer said:
I recall some of the Beretta semi's requiring break in and they were top notch guns!
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I owned an A400, and the owners manual suggested a break in using heavy loads. It was used for the first time with target loads, and it functioned perfectly. Several other people had the same results with their A400s, the break in was recommended, but didn't appear to be necessary.
 
Suther said:
I have an Asena zr7 which is very close to the Weatherby (in fact I was instructed to use the Weatherby owners manual by the retailer).

Its been a reliable gun, would absolutely buy another for $350, so at least SOME of the Turkish semis are worth buying.
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Lifespan is about 30 000 rounds. The valve will still work but the bolt and bolt lock develop stress cracks and break. My 2nd bolt lock only lasted about 1000 rounds. How long are parts going to be available? I do love my asena
 
Comparing the wby and an asena zr7 side by side they are different. Both run well. The asena will fire a wider variety of shells compared to several wby guns

My a400 explor had troubles when new cycling factory rem gun club shells. Itd kick out the empties but wouldnt always go into battery. 2 rounds of skeet with 1.5 oz loads now she runs smooth

For someone who may shoot a box or less a month you may get lucky and get a lifetimes use out of a cheap gun. Some one who puts at least 100 rnds thru a week will quickly wear out a lesser built gun. Metallurgy is a fickle trade. Cheap metal breaks. Turkish guns are improving but they still lack behind the major names in quality components. Some turkish guns are built well but certainly not all of them and trying to find out exactly who makes what can be difficult
 
For what its worth every turkish gun ive owned has needed warranty work. If i were to buy another turkish gun id only buy from those dealers who i know stand behind their products. Mainly martin at corwin arms. His service is top notch
 
brybenn said:
Weatherby is decent turkish. Tristar is turkish junk

I have a tristar ou and i refuse to sell it as its been such a lesson in gunsmithing. The only good thing about it is the bluing. Every internal part has been replaced. Replacement parts rarely fit and had to be altered. Other parts needed to be made. The barrels have a 16" variance in poi. The bead site was threaded the hole it was forced into wasnt
Some have said tristar has gotten better but it doesnt take much to improve when youre the worst of the worst

I see weatherby guns run week after week on the skeet fields
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I agree. Tristar are very low quality. I am not a great big fan of Turkish guns of any type, How ever the Weatherby seems to be fairly decent gun.
 
I had a Weatherby SA-08 and it worked well. I was not happy with having to switch between the 2 pistons to match the load. I replaced it with a Winchester SX-3 which shoots light and heavy loads without any worries. Then I discovered Weatherby proeuced an inertia operated gun called the Element. Got one and I'm very happy. No gas system to clean and it as well shoots all loads.

The Winchester and Weatherby guns are Turkish built, but I didn't worry; thinking that 2 major manufacturers would not jeopardize their reputation by selling an inferior product. I have not been disappointed.
 
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