Troy Par 223

I'll add my $0.02 here. I shoot 3-gun in Michigan (I'm not that good, but I have fun). After the May 2020 ban I bought an MRA Renegade and used it for a while. Like others said, adding a second charging handle made it better. I'm right handed, and if I use my left hand to rack the bolt for some reason I often "ride the bolt" home, resulting in failure to fire. Racking the right side bolt handle with my right hand fixed that, but I have to take my hand off of the pistol grip. After a year or so bought a Kel-Tec SU16F but for me and my handloads it was not accurate at 100 yards, let alone 200 yards. Sold it, and bought a Troy PAR (moot point, as now the Kel-Tec is prohib). Shot the Troy at a few 3-gun matches last year and overall liked it, except for when I was shooting with the fore-end resting on barriers or shooting through "holes" in barricades. Troy or MRA? 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. Both were fine for my level of competition (not last place usually, but closer to the bottom than the top).

Just bought a SCSA Taipan X to try to get best of both worlds. Only had it to the range once so far, but I like the concept of choice of bolt or pump. The disadvantage would appear to be (i) when you rack the left-side bolt the pump portion also retracts (so I will have the same issue with barriers/resting the firearm) and (ii) when you hold the rifle, if you are pulling back even slightly on the pump it goes out of battery and fails to fire. As per some YouTube videos, it might be best to hold the firearm just forward of the magazine well.

In any case, all 3 will be going on my Form 6nia for the 2025 season and I plan on trying them out at future 3-gun matches.

YMMV
Where did you source the Taipan from and do you reside in Canada or the US?

Curious if there was any issues with import to Canada if it is here.
 
Where did you source the Taipan from and do you reside in Canada or the US?

Curious if there was any issues with import to Canada if it is here.
Lots of retailers in Canada selling the Taipan.

I bought one this weekend and am waiting for it.

I’ve also got four Troy PAR’s, not because of the ban but because I wanted them.

At one time the PAR’s had been about $700 each to purchase as an LEO, so I’ve got 300blk (my fav), 338 Federal, .308, and 5.56.

I enjoy the 300blk the most.

Great rifles
 
The Canadian model par has a fixed telescopic but stock while the us model has a really sweet side folding stock. You don’t need the buffer tube on a pump action and the folding stock would be nice to have. I expect they did it to meet overall length but according to their website the folding stock model is almost 26”. I’d rather have a 18” barrel and the folding stock than the 16” barrel with the m4 stock
 
Where did you source the Taipan from and do you reside in Canada or the US?

Curious if there was any issues with import to Canada if it is here.
Bought the Taipan from a non-CGN sponsor in Hamilton ON as this company shipped FexEd so I could actually receive it during the postal strike. A few places had it in stock but I was told it would ship after the strike and I was impatient.

I live near Windsor ON and hence shoot in Essex/Chatham-Kent/Lambton Counties as well as Detroit and Port Huron MI.
 
The Canadian model par has a fixed telescopic but stock while the us model has a really sweet side folding stock. You don’t need the buffer tube on a pump action and the folding stock would be nice to have. I expect they did it to meet overall length but according to their website the folding stock model is almost 26”. I’d rather have a 18” barrel and the folding stock than the 16” barrel with the m4 stock
They brought in the folding model for the gen 1's PAR's.

I'm not sure why there are not more gen 2's with the folder and I'm pretty sure I saw a side action as well that had the folder.
 
...At one time the PAR’s had been about $700 each to purchase as an LEO, so I’ve got 300blk (my fav), 338 Federal, .308, and 5.56....
How does the 308 format compare to the 5.56?

308 pattern ARs seem to have a reputation for being chunky and nose-heavy.
 
How does the 308 format compare to the 5.56?

308 pattern ARs seem to have a reputation for being chunky and nose-heavy.
Yeah, you’re spot on. It’s chunky and nose heavy.

The Troy rifles are light tho, so it’s not as heavy as a proper AR10.

A lot of people will brand these as ‘cope’ rifles, but I bought mine long before the ban - they really do have a place in my gun room and are a joy to shoot.

My 300blk is the older style pump that is known to eventually have problems. I’ve purchased the replacement parts to upgrade it, but they haven’t been required yet. It’s got the very well thought out Troy folding stock - a work of art and engineering.

It helps that Poly probably hates this rifle too. I wouldn’t be surprised if pumps and levers end up on the February list.

It seems the Liberals have little to lose now - no credibility, no chance of re election, they’ll happily burn the house down, along with their long standing hatred for outdoorsmen.
 
I always thought having a pump action would make it operate without issue. Lots of mixed opinions on reliability coming from you guys. I really like the idea of manually operating the bolt. I was debating between a ruger ranch and cz600 but this showed up and I like the idea behind it. I am also unsure why they discontinued the folding stock. That thing looked great!
 
Yeah, you’re spot on. It’s chunky and nose heavy....
I wonder if ATRS could help. Lighten and shorten barrel... Though a 16" 308 is already unpleasantly blasty in my opinion.

But maybe chambered for 338Fed or 358Win (or 45 Raptor, is that a viable cartridge these days?).
 
I always thought having a pump action would make it operate without issue. Lots of mixed opinions on reliability coming from you guys. I really like the idea of manually operating the bolt....
Did you consider the "side action" options?

I'm not sure exactly what the issue was/is with the PAR and reliability, but TROY is one of the few companies that I'd trust to figure it out properly. I know for a while they were using a fluted chamber to help, anyone know if that is still happening?
 
Did you consider the "side action" options?

I'm not sure exactly what the issue was/is with the PAR and reliability, but TROY is one of the few companies that I'd trust to figure it out properly. I know for a while they were using a fluted chamber to help, anyone know if that is still happening?
I’ve got the side/ pump hybrid coming - the Tiapan (?)

The Troy rifles had a few issues at first:

1. a portion of the pump action was aluminum and wearing under hard use. This has been replaced with a steel block.
2. Action releases had been cast aluminum(?) and breaking. New ones are steel.

My 300blk is fluted. That’s okay because I don’t reload. My other three are newer and thus, non fluted.

They don’t flute anymore AFAK. They chamber and eject just fine.
 
Had a PAR. I didn't like how much I had to move the rifle off target to cycle the action when bench shooting. I also didn't like the quality. Went with the MRA Renegade and really like it. The build is great for something made in Canada.
 
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I had a PAR that went went down the road due to constant out-of battery light strikes and lack of decent primary extraction.
This is with both factory ammo and Handloads sized with a small based die.
One needed to be very mindful of the pump/stroke and it was not conducive to rapid fire.
I have often wondered if the spring assisted cope rifles such as the MRA would fare better.
 
I had a PAR that went went down the road due to constant out-of battery light strikes and lack of decent primary extraction.
This is with both factory ammo and Handloads sized with a small based die.
One needed to be very mindful of the pump/stroke and it was not conducive to rapid fire.
I have often wondered if the spring assisted cope rifles such as the MRA would fare better.
If you ride the charging handle forward, you're just gonna hear a click when you pull the trigger. You need to pull the charging handle back, and let the spring do its work.
 
If you ride the charging handle forward, you're just gonna hear a click when you pull the trigger. You need to pull the charging handle back, and let the spring do its work.

Sounds like the spring assisted rifles like the MRA/ Taipan are where it's at.

I wanted to like my PAR, it was accurate and handy just couldn't abide the clunky movement of ramming it forward and hoping it was in battery.
 
I had a 1st gen PAR in 223, it was a folder. I really like the ergonomic on it and really wanted to like it, but the amount of force that was needed to chamber the round, and even more so to extract it, really turned me off. Since then I bought the mra renegade and I do enjoy spring assisted action a little better. But I do miss the pump and folder options..
Looking forward to some new pump models to show up in the near future..
I saw the Tipan option, but I don't dig the non folding stock and that prolonged magwell area under the handguard.
 
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