Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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For heavens sake, stop calling the Lieberal gun-grab proposition a 'buy back'. It's a compensated confiscation of legally owned private property. The government never sold me so much as a cap-gun. There's no firearms I own that they can claim on the basis of buying back. 'Buy back' is a made up term just like 'gun violence' is a made up term. There's no such thing as 'gun violence'. Only violent criminals that sometimes use guns; guns they acquired illegally, possess illegally, and use illegally. 'Gun violence' was coined by gun-grabbers who try to personify guns and give the uninitiated the idea that guns alone are the problem and all that has to be done is to ban them...

Stop using the gun-grabbers vocabulary. By using it, all we do is give their pronouncements a false air of legitimacy.
 
Helka said:
CPC is the Conservative Party of Canada

your thinking PPC People's Party od Canada-founded by ex conservative.
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Whenever something begins with "People's", I think "Republic of China". It's almost comical that no one thought to tell Max that he would be called "chairman Bernier".
 
There's no ban or buy-back coming, a grandfathering clause is what we'll see at the very most. The government isn't totally naive. They're aware, as are the Chiefs of police, that the rate of B & E's where the only thing 'stolen' was firearms would skyrocket over night. At least I hope they're not...
 
Hypox!a said:
There's no ban or buy-back coming, a grandfathering clause is what we'll see at the very most. The government isn't totally naive. They're aware, as are the Chiefs of police, that the rate of B & E's where the only thing 'stolen' was firearms would skyrocket over night. At least I hope they're not...
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Not to mention there are probably a bunch of James Roszko types around who wouldn't just hand them over.
 
I’m right in Toronto. I can tell you that the chai latte drinking hipsters don’t give a damn about any of your logic. Get those killing devices out of our society! I wish that you boys are right and secondly I wish for a fair buyback price but I know better. instead I will return my AR with the nicest scope mounted to it because I know Justin would appreciate that and if I just toss it, it’s gonna hurt the planet by using up land fill.
 
transumer said:
I’m right in Toronto. I can tell you that the chai latte drinking hipsters don’t give a damn about any of your logic. Get those killing devices out of our society! I wish that you boys are right and secondly I wish for a fair buyback price but I know better. instead I will return my AR with the nicest scope mounted to it because I know Justin would appreciate that and if I just toss it, it’s gonna hurt the planet by using up land fill.
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The fear-mongering used on the un-educated public is appalling. People siding with the Lieberals and planning to vote for them because they think full-auto and large magazines should be banned in Canada. But they have no clue that full auto is already banned. And when I tell them what the word semi-auto actually is they just look at me blankly. And when I point out that the AR is not generally used in homicides and suicides but the Liberals want to ban it anyways they have no response. Misinformation and misleading to garner votes. Weak.

If a buy back ever happened in Canada they would get crushed and un-usable lowers.

Taxpayers money is better spent giving license holders a voucher to go and buy a safe if they dont already have one. Because if the problem is that guns are being stolen to be used in crimes then wouldnt it make sense to secure firearms better to stop that supply? But we all know that isnt what is going on here.
 
transumer said:
I’m right in Toronto. I can tell you that the chai latte drinking hipsters don’t give a damn about any of your logic. Get those killing devices out of our society! I wish that you boys are right and secondly I wish for a fair buyback price but I know better. instead I will return my AR with the nicest scope mounted to it because I know Justin would appreciate that and if I just toss it, it’s gonna hurt the planet by using up land fill.
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Why do you even care about the "chai latte drinking hipsters"? They don't vote. Grandma and grandpa vote in drove, not 18 years old hipster. If JT gets back in the driving seat, look at the 55+ for people to blame, they're the ones voting him in.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Didn’t stop New Zealand. Notice the sudden close ties and solidarity with New Zealand after their incident. Care to guess what that was about?

The other issue with Grandfathering which I believe was the original idea until New Zealand is that by stating expropriation of these firearms they significantly increased the non compliance with non restricted that meet their new prohibited status. If Grandfathering was still the plan they wouldn’t be announcing this. Let’s be realistic many would have bought that class of firearms to have the 12(9) license. Now that it’s obvious to even those who were adamant that confiscation wasn’t likely what is the probability of non compliance with those non restricted? Do you think people still trust the government that registration doesn’t lead to confiscations? So if Grandfathering this tactic by the Liberals makes zero sense. If all out New Zealand style expropriation then it makes complete sense.
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Your error is to suppose that anything that any party announces during a campaign is supposed to make any sense. It's not. It's supposed to appeal to people's guts, not their brains. Other than very simple promises that everyone understand (eg. lower gst from 7 percent to 5 percent), you can know what their intentions are (eg. take away guns), but not the actual way it's gonna be done, if it even gets done.

Do you really think that if they move AR15s from restricted to prohib (with grandfathering), the liberals wouldn't make a victory lap, claim they've fulfilled their promise, and applaud themselves?
 
Epoxy7 said:
Didn’t stop New Zealand. Notice the sudden close ties and solidarity with New Zealand after their incident. Care to guess what that was about?

The other issue with Grandfathering which I believe was the original idea until New Zealand is that by stating expropriation of these firearms they significantly increased the non compliance with non restricted that meet their new prohibited status. If Grandfathering was still the plan they wouldn’t be announcing this. Let’s be realistic many would have bought that class of firearms to have the 12(9) license. Now that it’s obvious to even those who were adamant that confiscation wasn’t likely what is the probability of non compliance with those non restricted? Do you think people still trust the government that registration doesn’t lead to confiscations? So if Grandfathering this tactic by the Liberals makes zero sense. If all out New Zealand style expropriation then it makes complete sense.
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Canadian firearm culture is far different than in New Zealand though. Hunting practices alone come to mind. Geography and demographics also comes in to play at a far greater importance. Personally, I think they don't really have any clue at all as to what they would do. Hence the reasoning behind giving municipalities the right to ban guns; they don't want to be held responsible or face the negative backlash that would come from such a rash decision.
 
Epoxy7 said:
Actually that wasn't my error. I took that into account. In fact I believe they had it setup for Grandfathering originally but have now gone to full confiscation. The main factor for that was New Zealand. Do you really think they are going to let New Zealand out virtue signal the Canadian Liberals? As you stated appealing to their guts and not their brains. This is an ideological issue to them. They really wanted to get rid of all the firearms. Grandfathering was the slow way of attrition. New Zealand did it and look at how they like to bring up other common wealth countries to justify new restrictions. Plus there were an awful lot of meetings with New Zealand officials after their shooting under the guise of solidarity. I don't think so. More likely comparing game plans so they could carry out confiscation instead of Grandfathering. No I don't think it would be a win for them. They would take all of the backlash from owners and a public that isn't really as concerned as the Liberals are and would fail to carry out their objective. Disarmament is their agenda.



Not that different. We are both Common Wealth countries. They know exactly what they are doing. Liberals are Globalists and believe the world should be under the control of the UN. This is now part of their core ideology and identity. Disarming the population is part of their mandate. Now let's think about this critically. Which type of weapon is used more in crime? Usually it's handguns due to their ability to be concealed, transported etc. More often than not black market and smuggled. Everyone on this forum has already established that this firearm ban has nothing to do with stopping crime. We all know that's a farce. However the firearms they are focusing on are the greatest threat to their authority, not to the general population or to reduce crime.
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This is exactly it. Well said.
 
VICIOUS said:
Handguns are a threat for citizens.
Rifle are a threat for GOVERNMENT.
Therefore confiscate all rifles and do not care about handguns.
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Exactly.
That’s why there is no common sense or logic in what libs intend to do, just this as said above.
 
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