Trudeau's Gun Ban and Buy Back

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Neurotoxic said:
I'm rather new here and, if I may, I'd like to throw in my 2 cents as "an outsider".

I feel gun owners need a strong but moderate and credible voice to speak out for them -- well, for us. I'm not comfortable with the whole "it's my god-given right and if they get come for my guns they'll get the bullets" position. This is exactly what reinforces the assumptions of gun-illiterate people. It feeds the media bias. It conforts those who paint gun owners as extremists, misfit survivalists, and violent outcasts. In the end, while it certainly helps to vent out, this stubborn mentality may very well be what shuts down our hobby once and for all.

Hell, I'm not even comfortable with people not registering their unrestricted hunting rifles in Quebec as a "protest".

Now don't get me wrong. I understand the Liberals' plan is ludicrous and stupid. However, it sounds perfectly sane to the average Joe.

As others have mentioned (I have not read the entire thread, tbh), any challenge to the C-71 Bill and its application need to be formal and organized. Reasonable and well-spoken representatives should keep in touch with the media nationwide and help explain what's wrong with the proposed legislation -- not in a defiant manner, but in a genuine rapprochement effort.

Instead of collectively spending thousands on stripped lower receivers in the hope it will complicate things for the RCMP, these funds could go towards an articulate campaign to inform the public and explain why the new changes are a waste. They need to understand how this money could be put to better use that could truly make a difference and make our communities more secure. For example, by investing in mental health and various support programs.

We need to thread lightly when discussing with the public, the media, and the politicians. They're right to be scared of the mass-murders going on down south, of the growing gun violence in out major cities, and of a gun in general. Their concerns shouldn't be brushed in disdain, but rather addressed with care.

We like shooting. And if we wish to preserve our privilege to shoot, we need to acknowledge it is a privilege. We need to support no-nonsense measures that aim at reducing gun violence. We should be the first to protest when someone brags about having received their RPAL in a week without any background check or having their references called -- the same way we protest when the bureaucracy makes it too long on purpose. We need to be protectors of the sport, upholding the law that makes us different from our open-carry neighbours.

I know most of us are moderate and law-abiding gun owners. But some aren't. And sometimes, their outspoken resistance tends to harms us, especially in the delicate and unfortunate situation we find ourselves in right now.

We don't need more guns. We need more moderate voices.

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I hope I don't come out as insulting, because it is not my intention. It took me about a year to complete my courses and receive my RPAL by mail. I am presently waiting for the transfer of my first handgun to be approved, and I also ordered an AR-15 lower receiver because it's a fun platform. I find the whole process long, expensive, and complicated -- AND I THINK IT'S OK.

My wife, who isn't a gun fan at all, feels safer knowing it's very strict. The general public would feel safer too if they knew. But they often don't. And it should be our duty to help people understand it is safe. Not convince them that it's our right.

Cheers!
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Nicely said, my sentiments as well.
 
Neurotoxic said:
Hell, I'm not even comfortable with people not registering their unrestricted hunting rifles in Quebec as a "protest".
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Neurotoxic said:
I'm rather new here and, if I may, I'd like to throw in my 2 cents as "an outsider".

I feel gun owners need a strong but moderate and credible voice to speak out for them -- well, for us. I'm not comfortable with the whole "it's my god-given right and if Libtards come for my guns they'll get the bullets" position. This is exactly what reinforces the assumptions of gun-illiterate people. It feeds the media bias. It empowers those who paint gun owners as extremists, misfit survivalists, and violent outcasts. In the end, while it certainly helps to vent out, this stubborn mentality may very well be what shuts down our hobby once and for all.

Hell, I'm not even comfortable with people not registering their unrestricted hunting rifles in Quebec as a "protest".

Now don't get me wrong. I understand the Liberals' plan is ludicrous and stupid. However, it sounds perfectly sane to the average Joe.

As others have mentioned (I have not read the entire thread, tbh), any challenge to the C-71 Bill and its application need to be formal and organized. Reasonable and well-spoken representatives should keep in touch with the media nationwide and help explain what's wrong with the proposed legislation -- not in a defiant manner, but in a genuine rapprochement effort.

Instead of collectively spending thousands on stripped lower receivers in the hope it will complicate things for the RCMP, these funds could go towards an articulate campaign to inform the public and explain why the new changes are a waste. They need to understand how this money could be put to better use that could truly make a difference and make our communities safer. For example, by investing in mental health and various support programs.

We need to thread lightly when discussing with the public, the media, and the politicians. They're right to be scared of the mass-murders going on down south, of the growing gun violence in our major cities, and of a gun in general. Their concerns shouldn't be brushed in disdain, but rather addressed with care.

We like shooting. And if we wish to preserve our privilege to shoot, we need to acknowledge it is a privilege. We need to support no-nonsense measures that aim at reducing gun violence. We should be the first to protest when someone brags about having received their RPAL in a week without any background check or having their references called -- the same way we protest when the bureaucracy makes it too long on purpose. We need to be protectors of the sport, upholding the law that makes us different from our open-carry, violence-ridden neighbours.

I know most of us are moderate and law-abiding gun owners. But some aren't. And sometimes, their outspoken resistance tends to harm us, especially in the delicate and unfortunate situation we find ourselves in right now.

We don't need more guns. We need more moderate voices.

----

I hope I don't come out as insulting, because it is not my intention. It took me about a year to complete my courses and receive my RPAL by mail. I am presently waiting for the transfer of my first handgun to be approved, and I also ordered an AR-15 lower receiver because it's a fun platform. I find the whole process long, expensive, and complicated -- AND I THINK IT'S OK.

My wife, who isn't a gun fan at all, feels safer knowing it's very strict. The general public would feel safer too if they knew. But they often don't. And it should be our duty to help people understand it is safe. Not convince them that it's our right and that they should shut up or else.

Cheers!
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This exactly. Well said. All the nonsense and anger from the armchair Rambos on here is not only counter productive and harmful, it's ludicrous and makes you look ignrant and unstable. This is Canada. Nobody has a right to bear arms to defend themselves. Even the Americans only believe so because of a perverted interpretation of the intent of their own constitution. And an ammendment to it at that, not even part of th original constitution. What is needed is a cogent and articulate response to the media and public to make it clear that the proposed bans will not prevent gun crime and that it will come at a huge financial cost that will accomplish nothing. Make people understand it's a going to be a waste of their tax dollars that won't prevent criminals from getting guns and you can turn support away from it. The rest is just noise.
 
Neurotoxic said:
I know. I'm not saying I'm OK with the gun registry either. Just saying I'm not comfortable with not respecting the law on purpose.
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Not all laws are worth respecting, this is the way the world works. Do you also never go above the speed limit on the highway, or think people who do are contemptible?
 
There is a chance Turdo backs off...he got good mileage out of his "getting guns off the streets"... he hardly has a "mandate" from Canadians, having lost the popular vote. He also faces lots of provincial blue.. this election result gives him an "out" on pushing the gun grab agenda without alienating his base. Just a thought.
 
canuckchap said:
There is a chance Turdo backs off...he got good mileage out of his "getting guns off the streets"... he hardly has a "mandate" from Canadians, having lost the popular vote. He also faces lots of provincial blue.. this election result gives him an "out" on pushing the gun grab agenda without alienating his base. Just a thought.
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I agree he might back off, or at least be left with less support than he thought. Ralph Goodale is gone. André Pratte (who refused to back the changes proposed by the Senate to C-71) has resigned. The Liberals have a minority government, while the Conservatives have won the most votes.

I'm not saying it is an ideal situation, but yes, there is hope. And this faint hope should be treated with utmost respect. I think we can still change things, but it has to be in a respectful and peaceful manner.
 
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So many new members, saying that civil disobedience is just too much, right? We just need to engage in discussion with liars and crooks the way we tried during C71 hearings. We need to listen to lying doctors, politicians, journalists and just OBEY. Cause OBEYING since 90s worked so well for us.
 
Those are the same meal team 6 dudes that were excited to hear that the CZ858 would be a 12.x. They will line up like sheep and give up their legally obtain proprety when summoned by the overloards.

I can see the division between the gun community and the weekend gun bunnies already and we havent lost any rights yet.

Things will only be getting worse with the upcoming recession and all these new taxes. Guns will be the last of our worries when we cant afford food and heat.
 
BlackWatch said:
So you will get a criminal record and lose your pistols as well? How’s life look for you with a criminal record? Employable? Travel? Can’t own a single shot 22?
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most gun owners in Canada are NOT all woosies who roll over,a quick look at the original Gun registry will tell you that,only 15% of known firearms in the country at that time were ever registered,which means 85 % simply told the government to take a hike,even after 2 years of grace period extensions,threat of jail time,and STILL those guns were never regitered,you seriously think todays gun owners are simply going to hand their stuff over,,good luck with that,,like i said,not all gunnies are chicken ####.expect a whole lot of non compliance if the TURD tries #### like this,and at this point,he's just worried about triggering a quick election,so he'll choose his battles real carefully,he's on thin ice and he knows it,
 
RK99 said:
This exactly. Well said. All the nonsense and anger from the armchair Rambos on here is not only counter productive and harmful, it's ludicrous and makes you look ignrant and unstable. This is Canada. Nobody has a right to bear arms to defend themselves.
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BS. Gangbanger got off recently shooting guys with an illegal gun -- judge ruled self defense.

Even the Americans only believe so because of a perverted interpretation of the intent of their own constitution.
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BS. You're mouthing the Demonrat/anti line. READ THE FRAKKING DECISION BEFORE YOU POST BS.

The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.

The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia.

Or better, read this: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=40%20reasons%20to%20support%20gun%20control

And an ammendment to it at that, not even part of th original constitution.
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Amendments ARE parts of The Constitution. Frak me if you're not an anti you're doing a good job of spouting their BS. Or perhaps you're merely clueless.

What is needed is a cogent and articulate response to the media and public to make it clear that the proposed bans will not prevent gun crime and that it will come at a huge financial cost that will accomplish nothing. Make people understand it's a going to be a waste of their tax dollars that won't prevent criminals from getting guns and you can turn support away from it.
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OK, we're agreed here.

BlackVoid said:
So many new members, saying that civil disobedience is just too much, right? We just need to engage in discussion with liars and crooks the way we tried during C71 hearings. We need to listen to lying doctors, politicians, journalists and just OBEY. Cause OBEYING since 90s worked so well for us.
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Somebody grasps reality.
 
BlackVoid said:
So many new members, saying that civil disobedience is just too much, right? We just need to engage in discussion with liars and crooks the way we tried during C71 hearings. We need to listen to lying doctors, politicians, journalists and just OBEY. Cause OBEYING since the 90s worked so well for us.
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The black man gets it.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Those are the same meal team 6 dudes that were excited to hear that the CZ858 would be a 12.x. They will line up like sheep and give up their legally obtain proprety when summoned by the overloards.

I can see the division between the gun community and the weekend gun bunnies already and we havent lost any rights yet.

Things will only be getting worse with the upcoming recession and all these new taxes. Guns will be the last of our worries when we cant afford food and heat.
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The Liberal announced today that they will not seek formal coalition with the NDP and Greens.

But will move forward with agenda items that they can get automatic supporting votes from the NDP and Greens........................

Guess who is at the top of that list....

Yup, its us.

Liberals need issues that the NDP and Greens like and Liberals do not have to negotiate with them about.

Firearms are along the issues that the Liberals feel they can show and demonstrate Leadership and get automatic NDP and Green support for.

This way Justin looks like he is still in charge and leader of the band.

And we are the drum that gets beaten during the performance.
 
RK99 said:
This exactly. Well said. All the nonsense and anger from the armchair Rambos on here is not only counter productive and harmful, it's ludicrous and makes you look ignrant and unstable. This is Canada. Nobody has a right to bear arms to defend themselves. Even the Americans only believe so because of a perverted interpretation of the intent of their own constitution. And an ammendment to it at that, not even part of th original constitution. What is needed is a cogent and articulate response to the media and public to make it clear that the proposed bans will not prevent gun crime and that it will come at a huge financial cost that will accomplish nothing. Make people understand it's a going to be a waste of their tax dollars that won't prevent criminals from getting guns and you can turn support away from it. The rest is just noise.
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Sorry, but your interpretation of the Amendments and the US Constitution is fantastically flawed. You might not agree with it, and that's fine, but that doesn't change the meaning of the text.

The idea that I don't have freedom of speech because it's not in the 'real' Constitution is ludicrous. Same goes for freedom of religion, press, assembly, trial by jury, to be free from slavery... You might not agree with the interpretation of the Amendments, but they are the basis for US law.

And you might not agree with the right to bear arms to defend yourself, and yet, there it is. Number two. Protecting all the rest.
 
Milanczar said:
But will move forward with agenda items that they can get automatic supporting votes from the NDP and Greens........................

Guess who is at the top of that list....

Yup, its us.
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Can you post a link of where he specifically mentions guns? i cant find a single thing.

I was feeling a little more positie about things today when i noticed mentions of carbon taxes and gender equity and the current divisive nature of this nation. I didn't find any mention of guns...

where does it state gun issues as the primary objective?

Or, are you just paranoid and fear mongering right now? We all need some positivity here. I have read this entire thread, and it isn't difficult for anyone to see that there is a huge divide... maybe even 3 ways amongst ourselves.

Settle down and keep your composure. I come home to do some research on this topic the past few days and refer on this thread specifically and have finally read it all (in 3 days). Some of you got to stop shrouding this potential moment in the history of our nation. Sure, i am on pins and needles as much as any of you are, but that is why we need more positivity as opposed to doom and gloom projections and speculations.

Now, anyone have a link of where he mentions the gun 'issue' ? Would like to read it. My googling skills are failing me today.
 
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